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Damn there are a surprising number of maintainers that are comrades and not taking this lying down from the western supremacist cohort.
Linus opened up a massive can of worms and turned this into a geopolitical conflict by acting like a baby.
This comment by Hantong Chen is great:
Hi James,
Here’s what Linus has said, and it’s more than just “sanction.”
Moreover, we have to remove any maintainers who come from the following countries or regions, as they are listed in Countries of Particular Concern and are subject to impending sanctions:
- Burma, People’s Republic of China, Cuba, Eritrea, Iran, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, Nicaragua, Pakistan, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Tajikistan, and Turkmenistan.
- Algeria, Azerbaijan, the Central African Republic, Comoros, and Vietnam.
For People’s Republic of China, there are about 500 entities that are on the U.S. OFAC SDN / non-SDN lists, especially HUAWEI, which is one of the most active employers from versions 5.16 through 6.1, according to statistics. This is unacceptable, and we must take immediate action to address it, with the same reason.
Meh, if they really leave this will prompt the US government or corps to finally start paying these developers. This flare up is a blessing in disguise.
Wait until you find out how much of Linux the NSA has built.
Next to none. You’re just spreading FUD.
selinux is one example.
Wasn’t Huawei trying to put a Backdoor into linux?
If yes, I see why they finally want to restrict maintainers to countries they can trust
Wasn’t Huawei trying to put a Backdoor into linux?
as far as i know, that has not happened.
what makes you think it did?
Articles back in the days.
I found a random one now. Maybe I got just clickbaited with titles back then. I dunno
https://securityboulevard.com/2020/12/was-this-huaweis-failed-attempt-at-a-linux-backdoor/
Funny that blog calls it a “failed attempt at a backdoor” while neglecting to mention that the grsec post (which it does link to and acknowledges is the source of the story) had been updated months prior to explicitly refute that characterization:
5/22/2020 Update: This kind of update should not have been necessary, but due to irresponsible journalists and the nature of social media, it is important to make some things perfectly clear:
Nowhere did we claim this was anything more than a trivially exploitable vulnerability. It is not a backdoor or an attempted backdoor, the term does not appear elsewhere in this blog at all; any suggestion of the sort was fabricated by irresponsible journalists who did not contact us and do not speak for us.
There is no chance this code would have passed review and be merged. No one can push or force code upstream.
This code is not characteristic of the quality of other code contributed upstream by Huawei. Contrary to baseless assertions from some journalists, this is not Huawei’s first attempt at contributing to the kernel, in fact they’ve been a frequent contributor for some time.
Damn, I have been thinking bad about them for too long for shitty journalism
It is not good for the kernel and it’s team to suddenly have to kowtow to Usamerican politics.
The reality is that the Linux Foundation is in the United States, and Linus is a naturalized US citizen who lives in Oregon (at least on Wikipedia). So they both will have to pay attention to avoid transacting business with individuals and companies on the SDN list. That is the law in the United States.
Would a fork be the solution to avoid having a system that is crucial for people worldwide cease to be a weapon at the hands of merrican politicians?
It’ll be at the hands of whatever jurisdiction the forker is in. It’s not like you can escape governments.
brazilian linux fork when?
What an extremely dangerous place to domicile such an important project.
Maybe it’s time to fork the Linux Foundation and fix those two problems.
Getting whiplash between “haha Russian invaders and bots get fucked!!! Finland!!! Wooooo Finland!!!” and “ah, we take no pleasure in doing this, our hands are tied”
Maybe the professional communications and Mastodon bubble Linus has been posting in led him to believe everyone in the world hates Russians now and that would be really well received
I mean, if Linus had given a more professional commentary, this whole drama definitely wouldn’t be so loud, but we have what we have.
After Linus’ statement, I can’t be sure any more that Linux is free of NSA code… Sad times…
Just so odd how they went about the whole thing. Such an uncalculated way to do things.
Why not wait until you have all your explanations in order backed by lawyers before doing the release? Why did they shit on the carpet first and then explained their reasons afterwards after lots of horrible attempts at justifications that completely missed the point.
It’s blatantly obvious and non-controversial what they’re doing. That’s why.
Excluding developers because of arbitrary sections issued by the most war mongering country in at least the last 10,000 years is not non-controversial, as it turns out.
Funny fucking thing to say considering why Russia is under sanction.
This isn’t a real comment, is it?
Anyway, the Linux kernel team are not about to fight the US government, particularly not to defend Russia. If you’re so concerned about warmongering then leave Russia. Solves all the problems here. You don’t gotta go to the US, even.
The US sanctions anyone that isn’t under their complete control, it’s not a serious country.
And I’m truly sorry you’re too much of a brainwashed nationalist to understand why free software shouldn’t be affected by petty politics.
Holy shit that got spicy. I was not expecting a Ukrainian and a Serb to start bickering back and forth while stacking racks over the level of support a country gave to the Nazis in WW2 on a kernel mailing list like they were in the comments here on Lemmy.
I get that tensions are high, and for many people the geopolitical reality is their homes being used as cover on an active front line, but like bro your actual fucking name is attached to these messages. At least I keep my most unhinged shit on a semi-anonymous platform. They need to lock it the fuck up.
Edit - jfc, a few messages later somebody comes in with something along the lines of “Taiwan isn’t a country, it’s part of China. When reunification comes sanctions won’t be appropriate against Chinese entities.” Is Lemmy just a front end for this mailing list and I had no idea this entire time?
Taiwan isn’t a country, it’s part of China
This is not a hot take, it’s the official position of the United States of America and 90% of the population of the world. Those who say Taiwan is its own country are radical fringe separatists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_China#United_States_policy
Someone has forked Linux https://github.com/Cqinux/cinux
Doesn’t Linux already have a bunch of forks? I’m using the CachyOS kernel, for example
That’s true, but how much hard-forks do you know?
Relevant, maintained? Zero.
Linus Torvalds has been sold out to big tech companies like Google and Microsoft. He himself is a billionaire and no longer writes any code.
I can’t take that seriously
Still hosted on GitHub, a property of MicroSoft.
That’s because it’s pure bullshit. And this repo will be deleted or abandoned in a month.
What were Linus comments that precipitated this?
The rage comes from LF actions and Linus words. All they had to do was to say: Thank you people for your contribution but we have no other choice, this is the law. But they did quite the opposite and Linus showed his true ugly white western supremacy face for all to see. That is the cause of the rage.
Ok, lots of Russian trolls out and about.
It’s entirely clear why the change was done, it’s not getting reverted, and using multiple random anonymous accounts to try to “grass root” it by Russian troll factories isn’t going to change anything.
And FYI for the actual innocent bystanders who aren’t troll farm accounts - the “various compliance requirements” are not just a US thing.
If you haven’t heard of Russian sanctions yet, you should try to read the news some day. And by “news”, I don’t mean Russian state-sponsored spam.
As to sending me a revert patch - please use whatever mush you call brains. I’m Finnish. Did you think I’d be *supporting* Russian aggression? Apparently it’s not just lack of real news, it’s lack of history knowledge too.No clue how all this shakes out. Not real invested in this ideological/bureaucratic slap fight.
It’s always entertaining when Linus flames off.
Either the death of the Linux Foundation or the exclusion of the Linux foundation from kernel development for at least a few versions. In any case Linus likely used the last of his goodwill in proving he’s more American than any other descriptor.
