A lawsuit, filed by patrons of a county library in Arkansas, has been allowed to move forward by a federal court. The First Amendment lawsuit plausibly alleges the library’s decision to move anything determined to be “LGBTQ” from the children’s section to the adult’s section violates the First Amendment right to equitable access to information. (via Courthouse News Service)
Here’s how this started, according to the decision [PDF] that moves this lawsuit forward:
[I]n late 2022 or early 2023 the Crawford County Library System implemented a policy under which its library branches must remove from their children’s sections all books containing LGBTQ themes, affix a prominent color label to those books, and place them in a newly-created section called the “social section.” Plaintiffs allege this policy was imposed on the Library System by the Crawford County Quorum Court in response to political pressure from constituents who objected, at least partly on religious grounds, to the presence of these books in the children’s section.
The major benefit that lemmy has over reddit is that the moderators here don’t broker bigots’ shit.
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Try to avoid regurgitating the fox news talking points. It makes you sound like a bigoted moron.
“Kids” generally don’t need to read a deep psychological investigation of human sexuality. But they can and should have access to stories involving LGBTQ characters and themes. Because learning acceptance for others (and maybe even themselves) from an early age is how you get kids who aren’t stupid chuds who are just waiting for a chance to say what they heard tucker carlson say last night.
So yeah. My sympathies for the library who was just trying to not get fire bombed. But… fuck that noise. The acknowledgement that not everyone in the world is cishet does not instantly turn a story about a bunny rabbit into an “adult” book.
Don’t bother. The dude is a troll.
obviously
But it is still worth making sure there are voices other than “the TV made me gay because Hugh Jackman is friends with a pretty boy” nonsense
it’s better to just write new comments and downvote such that theirs get burried.
Engaging them just makes longer threads that draw attention to their comments. Everytime you reply, he comes back and adds more comments.
“Just ignore the trolls” works when someone is asking “Why” or “is Brad leaving?”
“just ignore the trolls” doesn’t work when we are talking about the right for people to exist.
Because the bigots will just glom on to what makes them happy. And they’ll inevitably argue they are being “silenced” if they get downvoted (assuming they don’t get support from other chuds). And then naive idiots will see that and just assume they are seeing a “less popular” viewpoint. Especially when half the other comments will be about how reddit is a bastion of leftist thought and social justice warriors (yup…).
So you latch on to the semi-coherent chuds. You pretend they are acting in good faith and are just misguided. And you correct them. And THEN you have some fun when they show their asses.
Because now? Those “Well, both sides need some thought” idiots actually get “both sides” rather than just an echo chamber of hate.
Well he is also arguing to bury them in downvotes, which is partially helpful towards dealing with them
But since that doesn’t matter on lemmy/kbin maybe reporting would be better. but still downvote since the option is there of course.
They also have fun with it. Their goal is to waste your time. So even if you have fun with it, you’re still boosting the behavior so they can go back to their corners and share it with others, who then also come back.
There’s a reason so many spaces just rely on banning. Your time is better spent sharing reasonable articles for the people who actually are semi-coherent, and you’re going to have more effect doing that.
I don’t mind spending some of my time arguing for the existence of other human beings. I waste MUCH more time doing MUCH stupider things. Like explaining to you why just leaving bigots to preach hate is not a good thing.
And that assumes we have good faith moderators. There is a LONG history of chud mods no actioning the bigots who “don’t break the rules” and leaving up dog whistles and outright misinformation. So give them an opportunity to make it clear just what they are saying.
Because “don’t feed the trolls” is some enlightened centrist nonsense and is one of the many things that has led to the world being so fucked. Because if there are no voices pushing back against hate then… hate wins. And it continually does.
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Its okay. Just pray REAL hard and those impure thoughts about the mailman might go away.
Your priest might even have a suppository to help you with that.
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I don’t watch Fox news.
Children should not be reading about advanced sexual theory.
Period. There is no discussion to be had here. I am more than happy to be a bigoted moron in your eyes if you can’t handle that fact.
Is “advanced sexual theory” the latest version of “critical race theory” where you take a college course that someone told you existed and assume it applies to anything that makes you uncomfortable?
There is nothing “advanced” about the existence of gay people or the idea that you don’t need to grow up and settle down with someone of “the opposite sex”. Hell, having your parents lose their mind and pretend the world is ending the moment you see that Sally has two Moms or even that someone is walking down the street with their friend but “are a bit too close together” is how you get such incredibly stupid people as to feel threatened by a kids book that isn’t constantly drilling down that PENIS GOES INTO VAGINA!!!
And if the mere existence of an alternative will “turn someone gay”? Then… how has the world not devolved into mass gay orgies everywhere that Ryan Reynolds goes? Well… more massive gay orgies.
Also: Can I just point out how massively fucked it is that so many chuds are this obsessed with the sexuality of their children?
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Got it. Only YOU get to decide where your son puts his dick and who gets to have sex with your daughter.
… Is the answer to both of those you?
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… did you just admit to molesting your kids?
Like, I was mocking your bigotry and the tendency for chuds to want to control every aspect of their children’s sexuality being code for hiding their own incestuous and abusive thoughts. I never expected anyone to admit to it…
Holy fuck…
You’re gonna have to try harder if you wanna reel people in, this is weak bait.
Omg how did you know gay people spend their day in the library, covertly providing advanced LGBT propaganda in order to convert innocent children into super liberals??
Shut it down everyone, they figured out our agenda /s
I think it’s presumptuous for you to make that decision for other parents.
Just like you’re doing?
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I’m gonna subject your wife to a better relationship.
Woah, that’s interesting!
Anyways, back to the actual topic
Who cares what “facts” a bigot makes? Bigots by nature claim non-factual things as facts.
If you’ll accept you’re a bigot then the discussion is done and your opinion doesn’t matter to people who actually care about others.
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You accept you’re a bigot. We don’t accept that it’s “advanced sexual theory”. Which just sounds like an attempt to shame people arguing actual logic to you.
These are children’s books, not “advanced sexual theory”, whatever the fuck that is. Learning about LGBTQ+ people is not inherently sexual. If it is, then any book showing any relationship, LGBTQ+ or cishet, is “advanced sexual theory”. LGBTQ+ people exist that way from birth just like cishet people do. The sooner children realize that what they are is not unusual and not “wrong”, the less emotional and psychological trauma they will face.
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Straight is taught at the PhD level
Uhhh no it’s not. Do you know what it fucking means?
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I’d argue you’re treating your children like pets and not the human beings who have to grow up into this world without any actual knowledge, because you’re pushing them away not from advanced knowledge but in this case what should be basics knowledge.
They have to learn about this stuff eventually, and teenagers are still not assumed adults legally. This would push them from that knowledge far, far, far too late.
The majority of people don’t want to subject their children to this stuff and that’s just the facts.
Lol. Thanks, I needed a good laugh today.
Maybe to a rock with a negative IQ, if you aren’t a bigot piece of shit you wouldn’t say things like that.
How does Heather Has Two Mommies relate to advanced sexual theory? Does any reference to families now become advanced sexual theory because families are the result of sexual reproduction, or is it only heteronormative families that are not sexual?
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Because you’re a moron.
Don’t bother. They think they need access to children or they will die. Like they actually think that, and I honestly don’t think they realize how that sounds.
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Yeah, the US has a great history of moving certain demographics to a separate section in order to appease bigots.
The government has never done anything bad by censuring certain people due to their identity. It’s the government, and they’re making dozens of small decisions in small, right leaning rural areas which has no effect on the people there.
Moving a few books 20 feet is a little different than forcibly moving minorities into shanty towns.
You made it pretty clear in your original comment that you don’t see the issue.
And then you provided evidence to support that.
Not surprising given your blatant bigotry.
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Its an odd choice, but I wouldnt get bothered by it.
Id be more concerned a public library has a porn section.
Also, if you read the article, youd see they were moved to the social section.
Okay, then how about the fact that the books were removed on religious grounds. Please enlighten me as to your justification for how using religion as a pretext is totally fine, but educating children as to the reality of human social interactions, is heinous?
Again, you do not care. It’s just whatever fits your narrative.
They weren’t removed.
They were just hidden. On religious grounds, by bigots. Which is the only reason you’re defending them.
I wouldnt consider proudly displaying on a shelf “hiding”
I wouldnt consider proudly displaying on a shelf “hiding”
I wouldn’t consider intentionally misfiling books anything else. Of course, you’re only saying that because they’re hiding books about the minorities you hate. You know it’s hiding and support it because it’s hiding.
And you keep ignoring anything about government doing this on religious grounds. Since your repeated lies in support of bigots have made it clear that you don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt, I won’t waste any more time with said benefit. You want a fascist theocracy run by bigots like yourself.
Why’d you change your username?
I get why bigots would want to hide children’s books from children. After all, they don’t want their children taught that the minorities they want to murder in camps are people.
But why should anyone else want to hide books from the library patrons they’re written for?
