Seriously, don’t bother, dude’s a known troll constantly banned from other instances and communities. Their only defense is calling other people names and riding on their high horse. Just report if they resort to attacks, block and move on. Don’t waste your time on them. Their vision of disagreeing is “grow up asshole”, hypocricy etc. because that is the grown up response, and pretty much the only response.
“It’s everybody else, not me”
e: You can defend your circlejerk all you want. You just need to type the persons nick in the modlog to find several pages of bans, trolling, vitriol, everything they attack other people with and shit. But you enjoy your circlejerk.
Eh I don’t really like the idea of banning people. It happens to me a lot too.
Just had a big argument with him in another thread, said “fuck this” and went to find new content, landed here, there’s some dude being a total dick and it’s him!
It’s like saying “fuck Cleveland I’m outta here!” then hauling ass on the interstate for hours just to roll right back into Cleveland again. Damn.
What I’d like to do is help him, but I’m not sure if it’s possible online. In person I’d just go nonverbal and express peaceful vibes until we could talk, but online all we have is words. There’s no nonverbal interaction. To way to cooperate on anything that isn’t conversational.
That’s my thinking on it, but I just smoked and I’m getting rambly.
Basically I think respect is established nomverbally and then that enables conversations where people respectfully disagree with one another. Like I don’t care if you don’t agree with my ethical ideas as long as your muscles are relaxed and your tone of voice isn’t threatening violence on me. I like to have long detailed debates with my friends.
But if you’ve got no tone of voice or body language to establish that the frame is peaceful, the only thing you have is the content of the words.
Honestly, and I’m just thinking this now, I bet that’s the root of the intergenerational difference in … uh … assumed state of conflict inherent to a conversation.
So me and the other middle aged people grew up in a world where aside from the super slow and far removed from normal “pen pal” thing, you communicated with people in physical spaces: either directly there or at least with a broad spectrum sound signal of a phone call. You get emotional data on a voice call.
But now we’ve got people who grew up with social media. In social media, you can have conversations that are only words. No time except what you can glean from word content. Not just essays and stories published, but conversations. Entirely word-based conversations, devoid of accompanying sensory experience of the conversational partner, are a new thing in human experience.
And in a text-only conversation, if you want to establish a framing relationship with the conversational partner, it needs to be done via the words.
And here’s where the generational gap comes in. It’s a difference in how we implicitly model a friendly debate:
Me and the other old fogies’ model of a friendly debate:
Nonverbal signals saying: “Things are chill, we’re friends, I respect you”
Word content saying: “I disagree with you and intend to argue against your claims”
The youngins’ model of a friendly debate is:
Word content saying: “Things are chill, we’re friends, I respect you”
Word content saying: “I disagree with you and intend to argue against your claims”
We old fogies don’t need that word content signal online because we had years of face to face interaction, so our default model of a verbal disagreement is that it’s friends respectfully disagreeing.
In our pre-internet world, all of the debates were friendly debates because non-friendly debates escalated to violence. So in all the cases where the debating continued, it happened in a peaceful manner. Therefore the old fogie, pre-internet implicit belief is “debate is friendly”.
But text-only debates can be nasty without escalating (transforming) into physical conflict, and therefore the fact of a continuing debate wasn’t a solid indicator of friendly context.
So these kids need, and provide each other with, explicit respect signals. For them it is not to be assumed.
For us, it is to be assumed that unless there’s an explicit indicator otherwise, debates are friendly.
And then there’s me in the middle thinking adding a “lol” at the end should clearly show its in jest and not to be taken seriously/personally. Honestly, people seem to dislike both me and OP here. Which is fine.
Holy fucking shit, you actually are people who are so immature and vengeful over arguments on the internet that you chose to derail a NaNoWriMo thread because you have beef with me personally.
Because you actually and unironically are grown-ass adults who want to gang up on someone to get revenge over the internet. Over internet arguments
Because that is the grown-up response, am I right? 😆
Don’t actually stop. This is fucking hilarious.
I tell people like you to grow up for a reason, and this is precisely that reason. Touch. Grass.
Only one keeping on derailing the thread is you, but you have fun being grown-up and riding your high horse and projecting your shit on other people. Yeah, I totally have beef with your personally. Whatever you need to justify your tantrum. “Touch. Grass.”. Seriously, get off the internet for a moment. I’m not the one with several pages of bans and removed comments because I keep acting like a child and throwing temper tantrums, including this whole tirade you’re doing here.
Holy fucking shit the amount of projection. You can’t even read. IT’S IN THE MOD_LOG. Again: have fun projecting your shit on other people and have fun going through my profile and projecting like it’s the other people doing so and let’s all hope this instance of your alt account doesn’t get banned or whatever. Have fun seething and making up scenarious why your asshole behaviour is being called out for. Not all peoples lives are so empty they need alt accounts to defend themselves. You keep doing you and telling on yourself.
“Oh nooo, my account is x-months old”, while you keep needing to make new accounts on different instances, because your only form of argument is “grow up” and personal attacks. Oh no.
It was so good for a fleeting moment, that I at least personally forgot to even recognize the need to ignore them, but I guess all the assholes from reddit finally migrated here. “Yayyy…”.
Even if the block function doesn’t exactly function to actually block assholes, at least you don’t have to see their shit that way.
Seriously, don’t bother, dude’s a known troll constantly banned from other instances and communities. Their only defense is calling other people names and riding on their high horse. Just report if they resort to attacks, block and move on. Don’t waste your time on them. Their vision of disagreeing is “grow up asshole”, hypocricy etc. because that is the grown up response, and pretty much the only response.
“It’s everybody else, not me”
e: You can defend your circlejerk all you want. You just need to type the persons nick in the modlog to find several pages of bans, trolling, vitriol, everything they attack other people with and shit. But you enjoy your circlejerk.
Eh I don’t really like the idea of banning people. It happens to me a lot too.
Just had a big argument with him in another thread, said “fuck this” and went to find new content, landed here, there’s some dude being a total dick and it’s him!
It’s like saying “fuck Cleveland I’m outta here!” then hauling ass on the interstate for hours just to roll right back into Cleveland again. Damn.
What I’d like to do is help him, but I’m not sure if it’s possible online. In person I’d just go nonverbal and express peaceful vibes until we could talk, but online all we have is words. There’s no nonverbal interaction. To way to cooperate on anything that isn’t conversational.
That’s my thinking on it, but I just smoked and I’m getting rambly.
Basically I think respect is established nomverbally and then that enables conversations where people respectfully disagree with one another. Like I don’t care if you don’t agree with my ethical ideas as long as your muscles are relaxed and your tone of voice isn’t threatening violence on me. I like to have long detailed debates with my friends.
But if you’ve got no tone of voice or body language to establish that the frame is peaceful, the only thing you have is the content of the words.
Honestly, and I’m just thinking this now, I bet that’s the root of the intergenerational difference in … uh … assumed state of conflict inherent to a conversation.
So me and the other middle aged people grew up in a world where aside from the super slow and far removed from normal “pen pal” thing, you communicated with people in physical spaces: either directly there or at least with a broad spectrum sound signal of a phone call. You get emotional data on a voice call.
But now we’ve got people who grew up with social media. In social media, you can have conversations that are only words. No time except what you can glean from word content. Not just essays and stories published, but conversations. Entirely word-based conversations, devoid of accompanying sensory experience of the conversational partner, are a new thing in human experience.
And in a text-only conversation, if you want to establish a framing relationship with the conversational partner, it needs to be done via the words.
And here’s where the generational gap comes in. It’s a difference in how we implicitly model a friendly debate:
Me and the other old fogies’ model of a friendly debate:
The youngins’ model of a friendly debate is:
We old fogies don’t need that word content signal online because we had years of face to face interaction, so our default model of a verbal disagreement is that it’s friends respectfully disagreeing.
In our pre-internet world, all of the debates were friendly debates because non-friendly debates escalated to violence. So in all the cases where the debating continued, it happened in a peaceful manner. Therefore the old fogie, pre-internet implicit belief is “debate is friendly”.
But text-only debates can be nasty without escalating (transforming) into physical conflict, and therefore the fact of a continuing debate wasn’t a solid indicator of friendly context.
So these kids need, and provide each other with, explicit respect signals. For them it is not to be assumed.
For us, it is to be assumed that unless there’s an explicit indicator otherwise, debates are friendly.
And then there’s me in the middle thinking adding a “lol” at the end should clearly show its in jest and not to be taken seriously/personally. Honestly, people seem to dislike both me and OP here. Which is fine.
Holy fucking shit, you actually are people who are so immature and vengeful over arguments on the internet that you chose to derail a NaNoWriMo thread because you have beef with me personally.
Because you actually and unironically are grown-ass adults who want to gang up on someone to get revenge over the internet. Over internet arguments
Because that is the grown-up response, am I right? 😆
Don’t actually stop. This is fucking hilarious.
I tell people like you to grow up for a reason, and this is precisely that reason. Touch. Grass.
I never heard the term before, think it’s actually a nice idea but I really don’t want to talk about it with a prick like you.
Only one keeping on derailing the thread is you, but you have fun being grown-up and riding your high horse and projecting your shit on other people. Yeah, I totally have beef with your personally. Whatever you need to justify your tantrum. “Touch. Grass.”. Seriously, get off the internet for a moment. I’m not the one with several pages of bans and removed comments because I keep acting like a child and throwing temper tantrums, including this whole tirade you’re doing here.
Let’s see here, 4 month old account, zero posts, only 3 comments and all of them are direct attacks on me in this thread?
Sound the alarms fam, we’ve got ourselves an alt account here.
You’re adorable when you make it obvious to everyone who can click and read post histories what you’re actually doing.
This is WHY I tell you to grow up.
Now grow up, child.
Holy fucking shit the amount of projection. You can’t even read. IT’S IN THE MOD_LOG. Again: have fun projecting your shit on other people and have fun going through my profile and projecting like it’s the other people doing so and let’s all hope this instance of your alt account doesn’t get banned or whatever. Have fun seething and making up scenarious why your asshole behaviour is being called out for. Not all peoples lives are so empty they need alt accounts to defend themselves. You keep doing you and telling on yourself.
“Oh nooo, my account is x-months old”, while you keep needing to make new accounts on different instances, because your only form of argument is “grow up” and personal attacks. Oh no.
Yeah, I’m at that point now. Normally I don’t engage this heavily with obvious trolls, guess this is my quarterly reminder why I don’t.
It was so good for a fleeting moment, that I at least personally forgot to even recognize the need to ignore them, but I guess all the assholes from reddit finally migrated here. “Yayyy…”.
Even if the block function doesn’t exactly function to actually block assholes, at least you don’t have to see their shit that way.