• Dontcare@discuss.tchncs.de
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    1 year ago

    I don’t think you know or understand the history of the conflict at all.

    As I’ve said in other comments, and these are the simple facts of the conflict- that Israel has always been willing to and wanted to live in peace with Palestinians, that they accepted then 1948 partition, that they didn’t control the WB and Gaza until the 1967 war, have offered the pals states numerous times and they arabs live freely in Israel. OTOH pals have been explicit that there can be no Jewish state on any form, no Jewish presence, and vowed to fight to the death against it. These are the facts. The Jews, who are the natives of the land have made numerous concessions and the arabs who are from other places have not made any concessions from their demands which is absolute Islamic fascism.

    Every ‘campaign’ of the Israelis to restrict Palestinians has been the result of massive terror campaigns which the pals have vowed to as long as Israel exists.

    Maybe not every response of Israel has been exactly measured but the genesis of the conflict is clear, that the Islamic fascist are not willing to accept a non Muslim presence in any form, and they are the occupiers, Jews are the natives of the land. Everyone knows that Jerusalem, Hebron, nazereth etc… Are all cities built by Jews.

    West bank and Gaza are given a ton of aid and if they accepted a state would be living in wealth, living well is not their objective or at least not the objective of the government. They say explicitly they desire death, they they love death more than Jews love life.

    You are intellectually weak and have no moral spine

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      1 year ago

      🤮

      I’m sorry you can’t view people as anything more than a horde. It must be hard to interact with children from an out group. They may look cute and innocent, but they’re just future enemies!

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        I do view people as individuals and some people are individuals and some people just function as hordes. In some places that is greater proportion of people who are individuals as opposed to hordes than in other places.

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          And Gaza, a place where the average age is 18, would be a place with more horde members than individuals? Honestly, even if a place has large majorities that support terrible shit, killing civilians at such a high rate will necessarily kill innocents and ethical people. Even if 90% hate Jews more than they love life, 10% don’t. Hundreds of adults who wanted peace have probably been killed by Israel since Hamas’ attack, while over a thousand children too young to form an opinion have also probably died. Israel should stop the blockade at the very least. Famine and dehydration will kill the most vulnerable first, and children will die far sooner than Hamas members. It just isn’t right.

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            Yes more should be done to remedy gaza, and there are many terrible situations around the world where the give do terrible things. They let aid into Gaza but this is a war and there are hard choices in any war, you definitely want to avoid war.

            And it is the pals who have perpetuated this endless war, if they accepted a Jewish state in any form they’d be living in peace and prosperity with no displacement. Jews are the natives people of the land and were refugees with nowhere to go during WW2. The Arabs sided with the Nazis in WW2.

            Look up the 1948 partition, the size of the Jewish state which would not result in any pal displacement , most arbas living in aan Arab state and a small amount in a Jewish state.

            They rejected that, they went to war against the premise of any Jewish sovereignty in the land to which they are unobjectively native. They have fought Israel in the most barbaric way only targeting civilians for decades while Israel makes measured responses. The pals priority is to fight Israel any way it can, use pals as human shields for propaganda, because they follow a fanatical , fascist , hateful religion which believes the entire world should submit to the rule of God transmitted through the quaran. That is what islam means, submission. They will fight to the death in every way. They are evil.

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              Israel didn’t do enough to avoid war. The Israeli government didn’t see the Hamas attack coming, or didn’t prepare for it. Islam is not indisputably fascist. Most importantly, the current IDF strategy to destroy Hamas won’t work. The only way it can realistically succeed is through genocide or the expulsion of Palestinians, and that is not a good solution.

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                They definitely made mistakes. For years hamas has been firing hundreds of rockets every day. You know that rocket that hit the hospital parking lot they blamed on Israel and killed so many people, they fire dozens of those at Israel everyday and the expectation is Israel shoots them down with iron dome. In what other country in the world do you have daily indiscriminate rocket attacks ? What would Americas response to daily rocket attacks be ?

                Most Islamic countries are facist- they are dictatorships with non elections and no allowed opposition. Religious morality is enforced, women are killed for not wearing their scarfs and of course homosexuals are killed.

                Unfortunately it’s not a good situation no matter what

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                  Most Islamic countries are facist- they are dictatorships with non elections and no allowed opposition. Religious morality is enforced, women are killed for not wearing their scarfs and of course homosexuals are killed.

                  This is lacking context and so hypocritical coming from a European.

                  Tell me again, who backed Saudi Wahabbist Islamism over Egyptian secular Arab nationalism during the decolonisation period? It was you lot. And now your ‘homophobic’, ‘authoritarian’ bogeyman is a wealthy and powerful key ally to the US in the M.E, and somehow the blame lies fully with Muslims? Get serious.