The mother of slain hostage Ron Sherman accused the IDF of ‘poisoning’ her son to death inside a Jabaliya tunnel.

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      Close to where the bodies were found, the IDF attacked a tunnel in which the commander of the northern division of Gaza, Ahmad Al Ghandour… The investigation shows that at the time of the attack, the IDF did not know about the presence of hostages in the area. Also, the forces who found their bodies during searches in the tunnel did not have prior intelligence about their presence.

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        So one of their objectives is rescuing hostages, and they can’t check before they poison a bunch of people? At this point the IDF has killed more hostages than it has saved. I don’t think it’s just bad luck. They. Don’t. Care.

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          It’s not like they know their way around these tunnels. They were built to be hard to navigate and built to conceal people and contraband.

          Bottom line bud, if there was a fire anywhere near a shaft, heavier-than-air gases will sink downward into tunnels. Have you ever heard stories about someone goes down even into a root cellar or something and then passes out, and three more people go down after them one a time and all succumb?

          You’re attributing to malice what is easily explained by basic physics and coincidence.

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            Yes these hostages who were killed waving the white flag can also be explained by coincidence.

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              Do you understand how these two events are and are not connected? They are independent events.

              That one was a war crime. It’s very normal to be angry about that. Try not to let that inject logical fallacies into your thoughts process about unrelated events, though.

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            Coincidence? Are you suggesting that poisonous gases were only coincidentally released into Gaza? Or that it’s just coincidental that there were hostages there? In the tunnels. Where even we know they would obviously be.

            Edit. Just also want to share the quote from the mother of one of the people the IDF killed:

            “The results of the investigation: Ron was indeed murdered,” she wrote. “Not by Hamas. Think more in the direction of Auschwitz and the showers but without Nazis and without Hamas as the cause. No accidental shooting, no report, premeditated murder, bombings with poisonous gases.”

            • Yes his presence. I saw the mother’s quote. The actual report said the cause of death could not be determined due to the condition of the body. This is the sole report I’ve heard from anyone in the course of war suggesting the use of poisonous gas as a weapon and for that reason it’s just not credible.

              More likely, the woman misunderstood the report or, as many here have done, attributed to malice what is better explained by bad luck.

              From context and reading between the lines, I could see the report stating that the man suffocated from smoke and fumes before being burned in a fire. That would be consistent with both the IDF and the mother’s statements.