• Kyrgizion@lemmy.world
    3·
    6 months ago

    I think SOMA made it pretty clear we’re never uploading jack shit, at best we’re making a copy for whom it’ll feel as if they’ve been uploaded, but the original remains behind as well.

    • Dasnap@lemmy.world
      2·
      6 months ago

      A lot of people don’t realize that a ‘cut & paste’ is actually a ‘copy & delete’.

      And guess what ‘deleting’ is in a consciousness upload?

      • pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        2·
        6 months ago

        I mean, if I die instantaneously and painlessly, and conciousness is seemingly continuous for the surviving copy, why would I care?

        My conciousness might not continue but I lose consciousness every day. Someone exists who is me and lives their (my) life. I totally understand peoples aversion to death but I also don’t see any difference to falling asleep and waking up. You lose consciousness, then a person who’s lived your life and is you regains consciousness. Idk

          • pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            1·
            6 months ago

            Yeah, and I completely understand that. Just from a logical perspective though, lets say the process happens after you fall asleep normally at night. If you can’t tell it happened, does it matter? I’ve been really desensitized to the idea of dying through suicidal ideation throughout most of my life (much better now), so I’m able to look at it without the normal emotional aversion to it. If teleportation existed, via this same method, I don’t think I’d have qualms about at least trying it. Certainly wouldn’t expect other people to but to me I don’t think it’s that big a deal. I wouldn’t do a mind upload scenario, but moreso due to a complete lack of trust in system maintenance and security, and a doubt that true conciousness can be achieved digitally. If it’s flesh and blood to flesh and blood though? I’d definitely try

        • TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          1·
          6 months ago

          You make a good point. We all might be being copied and deleted in our sleep every night, for all we know.

          There’d be no way to know anything even happened to you as long as your memory was copied over to the new address with the rest of you. It would be just a gap in time to us, like a dreamless sleep.

          • Demdaru@lemmy.world
            1·
            6 months ago

            Old post but…if it’s just memory, you’d lose ttauma and other ingrained coping mechanisms, no? There’s no brain to try and fight back against things. Just memories making you…you…? Or not you, if you oose some of your behaviors?

    • TheYang@lemmy.world
      1·
      6 months ago

      I wonder how you ever could “upload” a consciousness without Ship-of-Theseusing a Brain.

      Cyberpunk2077 also has this “upload vs copy” issue, but doesn’t actually make you think about it too hard.

      • KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        6 months ago

        That’s what I’ve always thought more or less, to have a chance you would need a method where mental processing starts to be shared in both, then transfers more and more to the inorganic platform till it’s 100% and the organic isn’t working anymore.

        • Schmoo@slrpnk.net
          1·
          6 months ago

          The animated series Pantheon has a scene depicting exactly this, and it’s one of the most disturbing things I’ve ever seen.

          Edit: Here is the scene in question. It’s explained he has to be awake during the procedure because the remaining parts of his brain need to continue functioning in tandem with the parts that have already been scanned.

  • Schmoo@slrpnk.net
    1·
    6 months ago

    If anyone’s interested in a hard sci-fi show about uploading consciousness they should watch the animated series Pantheon. Not only does the technology feel realistic, but the way it’s created and used by big tech companies is uncomfortably real.

    The show got kinda screwed over on advertising and fell to obscurity because of streaming service fuck ups and region locking, and I can’t help but wonder if it’s at least partially because of its harsh criticisms of the tech industry.

  • Digital Mark@lemmy.mlEnglish
    1·
    6 months ago

    It’s still a surviving working copy. “I” go away and reboot every time I fall asleep.

    • jkrtn@lemmy.ml
      1·
      6 months ago

      Why would you want a simulation version? You will get saved at “well rested.” It will be an infinite loop of put to work for several hours and then deleted. You won’t even experience that much, your consciousness is gone.