• OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world
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      7 months ago

      I don’t believe that hurting or killing people is trumps first goal, but if there’s money to be made or his ego to be protected, he won’t care how many people have to die.

      He’s proven this over & over - from leaking classified information to Russian officials- which resulted in the deaths of American & ally agents, to botching (and trying to profit from) COVID-19 policies & procedure, which resulted in the deaths of millions, to his insane border policies, to releasing of terrorist leaders to appease his favorite dictators, to his unadvised withdrawal of troops from foreign war zones, and so on.

      trump is a menace. Whether it’s because he’s malicious (he is), stupid (he is), or a malignant narcissist (he is) doesn’t really matter.

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          *puts fingers in ears*

          “Fake news! Fake news!”

          The mantra of the Trump supporter when confronted with facts.

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            Shows how stupid you fucking retards are. I didn’t say I was a Trump supporter. You made that leap. Go fuck off. People not online but in the real world are sick and tired of your thought process. It’s over.

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          What would a valid point of discussion be to you? Is there one?

          If there is no way your opinion can change then your opinion is not reasonable. If your opinion is not based on reason, why do you hold it?

          If all things the media has discussed is off limits, then the only things that remain are things we make up or have seen in person. I don’t really take random strangers online at their word, so those aren’t reliable sources. So no media, no personal anecdotes. That leaves us with nothing. What sources of information would be appropriate?

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            I reasonably giving my thoughts. You’re parroting bullet points from the media.

            The source would be your brain anfter observing all viewpoints. Not just the ones you’re told to believe in.

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              “Source: my brain.” Yeah, I’m sure you and anyone else would accept that. That is absolutely stupid if that’s the source you accept. Everything anyone writes is synthesizing information using their brain. They may just provide evidence to ensure to others that it’s true.

              Also, you didn’t “reasonably” give your thoughts. You totally dismissed everything because it didn’t agree with your opinion. Again, what possible information could change your opinion? If the answer you have is “nothing” (or you can’t think of anything) then you should consider why you hold the position you hold.

              I used to watch this guy, who does “Street Epistemology,” for a while, but I haven’t seen anything recently. I guess YouTube decided to to not it. Anyway, you should watch some of this and then consider your opinions in the same frame. If you actually want to think for yourself, like you imply you do, then you need to consider why you think a certain way and hold the opinions that you hold.

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                7 months ago

                Your time is done. Shut up weirdo commie. Nobody likes you anymore. Maybe online but that’s not real world shit.

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                  People seem to like me more than fine actually. Are you projecting?

                  It’s funny, instead of actually engaging in conversation and addressing the points, you instead hurl out insults, accusations, and ad hominems. It’s almost like you don’t have a leg to stand on or something.

                  I have considered my reasons for my beliefs, and why I even have those reasons to start with. You can’t address that. I think the one telling others to think for themselves has some thinking they need to do.

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                    You deserved what you got. Hey, Go have a nice memorial day. I will. You probably don’t know so I’ll tell you. It’s the ones that died to give you the freedom to have any view you want.

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      7 months ago

      For his stance on Palestine alone:

      “Get it over with and let’s get back to peace and stop killing people. And that’s a very simple statement,” Trump said. “They have to get it done. Get it over with and get it over with fast because we have to – you have to get back to normalcy and peace.”

      The former president also pledged to bar refugees from Gaza under an expansion of his first-term travel ban on Muslim-majority countries; expel immigrants who sympathize with Hamas; revoke the visas of foreign students deemed “anti-American” or “antisemitic”; and impose “strong ideological screening” to keep out foreign nationals who “want to abolish Israel”.

      Surely you can’t interpret that as him wanting to protect Palestinians, right?

      I could give you other things, like what he said he’ll do to and how he’s treated transgender people, that is harmful, for example. There’s many other similar topics where he as, in the most generous view, unhelpful at best, if not actively harmful. I’m assuming it probably won’t change your position if you don’t accept the earlier citations and you somehow think I’m wrong still though. If you do care, it’s easy to learn more.

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          Wow, you’re a dumb one aren’t you. Are you a bot? Everything you post just accuses everyone else of repeating “media talking points” or whatever. You literally have no supporting arguments except saying what others post is invalid. What does that say about your opinion if informed opinions are invalid?

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            I wouldn’t say that if that wasn’t what you’re doing. Be smarter. Think for yourself. Take in all viewpoints and then decide what you think. All I see is idiots spewing what cnn and msnbc tells them to say. Same way on the other side. There are plenty of morons spewing their shit too. People need to think independently. It’s a lost are and is literally why the country is divided. By design.

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              I linked the AP and The Guardian, not MSNBC. I haven’t watched mainstream news (by my own choice) in my life. I’m not repeating media talking points because I got it from the media. I’m repeating media talking points because the media talks about stuff that’s relavent.

              You need to learn to think at all and to accept that other information can come that doesn’t agree with your worldview and that’s OK. You should accept that information and adjust your beliefs accordingly, not just dismiss it because it makes you feel bad.