cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/16149785

Cross-posting here for more opinions.

Gentlemen, just for context, I usually use Linux. I have been a user of Debian, Ubuntu, and Fedora for a few years.

Recently, I acquired a decent graphics card (GeForce RTX 4070) and decided to uninstall my Windows and install Linux.

I saw that Pop!_OS already has an image with everything pre-configured for Nvidia. Is this pre-configuration worth it, are the games more stable on this distribution, or is it the same as manually installing Nvidia’s proprietary drivers on Manjaro?

  • yala@discuss.online
    1·
    5 months ago

    But there is no automatic repair voodoo anywhere, on any distro. That driver is proprietary, only NVIDIA can fix it.

    Consider to revisit this, cuz this is basically (at least for me) most of uBlue’s schtick:

    “No more building drivers on your laptop, dealing with signing, akmods, third party repo conflicts, or any of that. We’ve fully automated it so that if there’s an issue, we fix it in GitHub, for everyone.”

    And the way it’s setup, is so that you don’t get the broken update ever on your device in the first place.

    So, contrary to what you might expect, this black magic (or just excellent engineering) somehow does exist.

    • boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net
      0·
      5 months ago

      uBlue does not repair anything, they dont automatically detect a broken driver on your system and block an update.

      This would be possible, but slow down boot (running some GPU benchmark on every boot via a systemd service, if it fails run the commands that I mentioned).

      rpm-ostree is awesome, and has the potential to do that.

      you don’t get the broken update ever on your device in the first place.

      In theory yes, but this would mean uBlue is some kind of stable distro. I dont know, at least their base images just get updates.

      Their big advantage is that they dont have the legal restrictions, so they can ship 1:1 the system you run. I dont know if they do, but having some automated benchmark tests on real hardware with these devices would be useful.

      But that costs a lot of money. uBlues trick is that they can run their whole huge project for free on Github.

      But for sure, the dependency issues will not occur. But this does not guarantees that there are no issues on bare metal.

      Or a stable branch, Bazzite was longer on F39 for example. I use the :latest branch which automatically gets upgraded to the latest version, which they determine. So having an :testing branch that is up to date, and slowing down the releases of the latest branch, could help.

      • yala@discuss.online
        1·
        5 months ago

        I think we’re misunderstanding eachother. So perhaps consider to outline if you agree with the following:

        • uBlue has some systems in place that enable it to detect some breakages.
        • uBlue’s pipeline is such to not ship you the detected breakages.
        • After a method has been found to fix a breakage (or other issues), uBlue’s maintainers implement these fixes and then, the very next update, the users will receive an image that contains both the updated package and the fixes required for it to not cause problems. Heck, the user didn’t know anything was up in the first place. They didn’t notice a thing*.
        • uBlue’s issue/problem detect systems are not absolute; things might slip through.
        • However, Nvidia drivers will not cause breakage that will make you shiver in fear.
        • uBlue does not fix it on your device. They fix the image and that fixed image will deliver you the fix built-in; so manual intervention are a thing of the past (except for edge cases).
        • Their pipeline does not require nor does it detect (through telemetry or whatsoever) the breakage on the device of the user. Heck, as implied earlier, most breakages are detected, prevented from shipping broken, fixed, ship the fixed one before any end user is disturbed by it.
        • uBlue is not a Stable system (i.e. it does not freeze packages (apart from security updates) until the next major release). So yes, you receive updates all the time.
        • Not being tied to legal restrictions is cool. However, a lot of derivatives do this. So this can’t be its unique selling point.
        • uBlue is not entirely free. Its maintainers do pay money for providing some of their services (as has been mentioned by Jorge).
        • Some of their images do have testing branch; even Bazzite has.
        • boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net
          1·
          5 months ago

          Yes agreed.

          I didnt know they have testing images, but makesbsense in their flagship variants.

          I miss the old website with the full image list.