WYSK: There funded by dark money PACS, but some good reporting has brought out these names: David Koch, Peter Thiel, Reid Hoffman, Mark Cuban, Harlan Crow, and Michael Bloomberg. Some of there members are most famous for stopping big bills. Joe Leiberman, for example, single handedly stopped the single payer portion of the ACA. Senators Joe Manchin and Kyrsen Simena kept the John Lewis voting rights act from passing, and famously kept the senate from repealing the filibuster.

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    Ya know, it’s not always democrats versus republicans…

    Until everyone stops voting for this bullshit two-party system, it’s just going to keep being dems and repubs pointing fingers at each other.

    (This- is in no way me providing any endorsement, or affection for whatever candidate is in question. I know nothing about the person).

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      They didn’t say Republicans, they said right wing. The Democrats are also a right wing party, just center-right.

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          and yet the Democrats are still a right wing party.

          Just because we let Republicans pull the Overton Window so far to the right it’s damn near broken doesn’t change the fact that Dems are still right wing.

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            Right and left wing are always relative, not absolute. The Democrats might be right wing if transplanted with no changes to another country, but that doesn’t matter. They are left win in comparison to the only other party that matters, so they are left wing.

            It’s always relative.

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              That’s…not how that works at all. They’re to the left of Republicans but that’s akin to saying that Mt Everest’s distance from sea level ain’t shit compared to the moon.

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                That’s exactly how it works.

                Left and Right are always relative positions, not absolute one. And they are relative not only to each other, but to the polics of the country as a whole.

                Mount Everest’s high IS absolute, so it’s not a valid comparison.

                Left and Right are, like what they are named for, merely directions. They mean nothing without a point to compare them too.

                Right is typical the traditional position, orginally with the king, and left is the reform/change position.

                Which is definitely true of right and left in the US.

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          We do a lot of weird word play in the US. Liberal, for example, has come to mean something akin to left wing. In the rest of the world liberal would idealogically be a much closer fit with something like a center right party. Or it would have elements of both (personal freedoms combined with limited government).

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      In the current fptp system it has to be. Until ranked choice for president and proportional representation for the house then usually the left will shatter. The republic strongest point is they all vote under one big group even if they disagree internally. All splitting the vote will do is empower that “team”

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        Until ranked choice for president

        That wouldn’t change anything. RCV still produces a polarized two-party system.

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      This isn’t going to happen until the majority of the country implements ranked choice voting, so that third party voting isn’t just throwing your vote away. As long as we are in the current system, third party voting is pointless.

      Focus your efforts on getting ranked choice adopted. It is the key that will actually unlock the ability to vote for third parties.

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        Ranked Choice Voting doesn’t make third parties viable, either. It uses the same counting method as our current system (tally up people’s first-choice preferences) and therefore suffers from all the same problems, like vote-splitting, spoiler effect, and center-squeeze effect. You can’t fix the problems of FPTP by adding more rounds of FPTP. You need to allow voters to express opinions about all of the candidates and then actually count all of those opinions.

        If you want third parties to be viable, you want real reforms like STAR Voting, Condorcet RCV, or Approval Voting.

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        throwing your vote away

        Until everyone stops thinking that way- the same cycle will repeat every 4 years.

        Democrats and republicans blaming the person who came into office before them, for all of the countries problems, followed by a lot of election promises they will never keep.

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          It’s pretty much an objective fact that voting third-party (especially in a swing state), is indeed “throwing your vote away”. It has been well studied and well documented.

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        Now three guesses which party is trying to make RCV illegal & already have in Florida.