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  • Alue42@kbin.socialtoYou Should Know@lemmy.world•YSK that chiropractors are not medical doctors and "Systematic reviews... have found no evidence that chiropractic manipulation is effective"
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    11 months ago

    I have to ask: what do you think “holistic” means? You’ve said twice (once in each comment I’ve know replied to) that DOs “think they are more holistic than others”
    Do you think it relates to holy?
    It doesn’t. It means that’s parts of something are interconnected and can only be considered in reference to the whole of itself.
    Which is the key difference between osteopathic and allopathic medicine, so of course they believe they are more holistic.

    I’m not sure what you were trying to prove with those links. The first explains that while evidence based medicine uses statistics, it is a specific way of using data to determine clinical care - that it can determine the best route of care for the largest group of people that works most of the time, which is great for most people most of the time…but what about when you fall outside that group (my addition - yes, they could try the second choice when the first doesn’t work or the third next, but that takes time and suffering). Whereas DOs consider the the first choice option as well as the outside options by evaluating everything. Consider the story above of my earache. That’s what the link was describing. I’m not sure what you got from it, or what that has to do with being holistic (though considering outside treatment options that might involve other parts of the body would be considered holistic). The thing is, statistics are great to describe how a population reacts to treatments, not an individual. Appendectomies have a 95% success rate, but that doesn’t mean that you have a 95% chance of surviving one. But evidence based treatments are based on the success rates, not the individual - that’s where the patient-first idea come into play, DOs consider the patient as a whole rather than only the statistics when the statistics don’t line up with the patient.

    The second link says that healthcare costs between MDs and DOs are similar. Neither is more expensive, neither is less expensive. I’m not sure what that has to do with being holistic (either the actual definition or whatever you may think it means).

    You’re making the claim that what I described previously is pseudoscience because a DO saw that my ankle has turned inward and offered ankle strengthening exercises. Ankle strengthening exercises aren’t pseudoscience, there is data behind it - the idea that it could cause ear pain due to the other issues it causes certainly would not be common, but it is explainable. Pseudoscience is something that uses no explanatory reasoning and avoids peer review. DOs routinely publish their findings.

  • Alue42@kbin.socialtoYou Should Know@lemmy.world•YSK that chiropractors are not medical doctors and "Systematic reviews... have found no evidence that chiropractic manipulation is effective"
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    11 months ago

    Thank you, I didn’t realize that homeopathy was not general term - I thought it was a generalized term for alternative medicine that wasn’t eastern medicine, but I was wrong.

    Anyway, I do still have some things to clear up for you.

    You still seem to think that DOs are spending their 300+ additional hours after the MD learning the pseudoscience, which isn’t the case. Those hours are spent with neurologists, orthopedics, physical therapists, and other fellowships and residencies only provided by the MEDICAL SCHOOL - which would absolutely not allow any pseudoscience within their walls. Yes, they might do very minor manipulation in their practices, but it’s what’s learned through neurologists, physical therapists, or orthopedists, etc. (in addition to their MD residenciea just like the MDs in family practice, OB, surgery, dermatology, oncology, etc). The goal of a DO is to treat a patient as the sum of their parts rather than symptomatically.

    Patient-first rather than symptom-first. (DO vs MD)

    Osteopathic rather than allopathic. (DO vs MD)

    -If I go to an MD with an earache, I’ll have my ear checked out and maybe find nothing wrong but walk out with Prednisone to see if it helps. Prednisone does nothing but make me gain water weight.
    -If I go to a DO with an earache, I’ll have my ear checked out and maybe find nothing wrong, but he might think since there was nothing obvious that maybe there’s a nerve pinched near the top of my neck so he’ll have me stand to look at my posture and notice that I’m standing awkwardly with my hips not level, checks out my ankles and realizes I’ve started to lean in on one of my ankles and writes an Rx for a custom insole and exercises to strengthen my ankle. The issue with the ankle was causing my hips to lean, which caused my back to curve the other way to compensate, which pinched a nerve in my neck, which caused an earache. Wear the insole while strengthening the ankle, earache goes away.

    (This is a true story of something that happened to me, not an example of every experience with a MD or a DO)

    There is nothing precluding and MD from also searching for the underlying cause, but allopathic medicine looks to treat symptoms.

    Osteopathy is 100% the movement of muscles and bones and not taught in medical school.

    Osteopathy /=/ osteopathic

  • Alue42@kbin.socialtoYou Should Know@lemmy.world•YSK that chiropractors are not medical doctors and "Systematic reviews... have found no evidence that chiropractic manipulation is effective"
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    11 months ago

    This is incorrect. You are likely confused due to the fact that the names of the fields are similar.

    Osteopathy /=/ osteopathic

    I’ll discuss the fields as the are in the US, as I am not aware of how they are in other countries.

    • Chiropractors go through their own degree programs through their own colleges.
    • Osteopaths are homeopathic practitioners (not doctors, and they refer to their customers as clients, they are legally not allowed to refer to them as patients) and are alternative medicine practicioners.
    • MDs receive a medical degree and are doctors.
    • DOs receive a medical degree (an MD) as well as an additional 300+ hours of osteopathic study through their medical school to receive a second medical degree certification - this is NOT the same as the homeopathic study, this is the study of the bones, joints, nerves, and how they all work together as a whole.
  • Alue42@kbin.socialtoAsklemmy@lemmy.ml•Does anyone actually like 3d movies?
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    1 year ago

    It’s not that I hate 3d effects, but I’ll avoid them if I can, for a variety of reasons.

    As other people have said - I wear glasses, I having to put the glasses over my own glasses just makes it difficult. They don’t stay on and I have to hold them, it makes the image askew, it’s uncomfortable on my nose and ears when it does “fit”. They really should come up with a more inclusive way to watch these as a good portion of the population wears glasses.

    For another, I suffer from migraines and 3d effects not done well tend to trigger them, and I already have enough triggers that I can’t avoid.

    A strange one needs a little bit of backstory - I was never great a sports as a kid, could never quite catch a pop-up or hit a fast ball, but I was great at throwing or other aspects. People wrote it off as just “unathletic” and I went on to live my life as a weird nerdy kid despite the rest of my family being athletic. Fast forward to my adult life when I was put on a very strong medication and needed a very thorough eye exam and a result to set a baseline to make sure the medication doesn’t end up damaging my retinas (thorough to the point that the exam was 5 hours and I had tests done I’d never seen it heard of before).
    It turns out my eyes/brain only interpret half the depth perception of the average person. So what I’m seeing during a 3d movie is not what’s meant to be seen. And since this is not an eye exam that would be regularly given - who knows if it people that are complaining about the movies have the same issue I do? Cartoon-y 3d (like Disney world/theme Park things) is fine for me, but things like Avatar just give me migraines.

  • Alue42@kbin.socialtoAsk Lemmy@lemmy.world•whats going on with the 'tankie' thing
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    1 year ago

    “left” is an encompassing umbrella term. You can’t complain when you ask where the lemon squares are and people say “we didn’t bring lemon squares” and your reply is “but you said you were bringing dessert!” Dessert=left in this analogy and lemon squares=tankie/communist.

    I often remind people, also, that politics is an entire sphere of ideologies, and if you are only looking Left and Right you are missing and incredible amount of viewpoints and information.

    In another comment, you compared coming up a viewing and fitting into a niche like looking over a menu when you could have had steak the whole time. You’ve forgotten that steak isn’t everyone’s favorite meal. And even for those that it is, there are still infinite ways to enjoy it: marinated and grilled, sauteed with mushrooms and gravy, seared with goat cheese and spinach, and so many more. Additionally, what sides, what appetizer, what dessert, what wine pairing… All the different combinations you can think of are how many different combinations of viewpoints there are. There’s no one-size-fits-all, even for people that call themselves the same thing.

    And just because you have one perfect “meal” at one time in your life doesn’t mean that you won’t have a chance of taste later on, either as you learn new things, world events change, a New life stage in your personal life changes what you feel is important, or anything else, and that’s OK.