Egon [they/them]

Eh, China has been collapsing or about to collapse since the 60’s. I’ll believe it when I see it. Meanwhile the US isn’t doing so hot, which we can actually observe without the need to make the financial troubles of one part of one sector in one region into some sort of sign of an oncoming apocalypse.

Regarding making use of capitalism: Yeah, that’s what dengism is all about. Capitalism has its uses, we’ve just outgrown it.

:pigpoop:

You get what you give

you referenced what happened in 2014, as if that provoked or justified Russia’s current actions.

I’m not the user that referenced it. Once again: I’ve literally only asked you to answer the question. Had I been the one to state the question initially, you still wouldn’t be able to make that conclusion, it is a huge assumption that that would be the line of reasoning, angle of argument or anything else. It could just as easily have been a way to see where we disagree, create a common basis from which to have an argument, to help illustrate a point of larger context or something else entirely. It is common for a discussion to create a basis of shared understanding from which we can then diverge or argue.

Im open to actually discussing it with you if you’ll actually explain what you mean and why you feel that way.

No thanks. Its pretty clear you’re not capable of pleasant or good faith discussion, instead choosing weird debate tactics, condescention and strawmanning me. I’ve literally only asked you to answer a question, and you haven’t been able to fulfill this simple request. It’s pretty clear any extended conversation would just be even worse.
Maybe when you’re less of an antagonistic debatelord.

Youd probably get a lot further if you engaged in good faith, instead of being snide

Yeah it’s honestly a really good series. There’s a reason it got big in the GDR. It’s wild what they could deliver while still keeping it comical. Like that text reads as some really deep quote, but in the scene it’s probably played for jokes. It’s great.
My only gripe is how Yvonne ping-pongs between being more insightful than Egon, and being an immense dumbass, depending on what the plot demands

Quote where I’ve insulted you

I meant the projection.

You’re the one making claims, you tell me what you think happened that justifies what Russia’s doing, or even provoked them in some way

What claims have I made? Quote them to me please. I’ve literally only asked you to answer the question, WHICH YOU STILL HAVENT DONE. Why is it so difficult?

Perfect translation 10/10 Maybe there’s a little bit lost in translation between the non focused way “Jeg vil ikke mere” goes than the focused way “I don’t want to do it anymore”, but that’s incredible nitpicking.

Some of those words hit much harder in english lmao. Gonna have to start calling people both impotent pig and “small porridge farmer”

My account is named after the character from a series of movies about bankrobbers. It was the only western movie-series allowed in the GDR. The guy had a bit where he would go on long insulting rants against his comrades after they’d fucked up, calling them all sorts of names, typically finishing off with declaiming they were SOCIAL DEMOCRATS (this being the worst he could call them).
Here’s a compilation of him tearing into people, and also being torn into a little bit

Here’s a really famous scene where they rob a bank to Elverhøj

JEG VIL IKKE MERE! År efter år er det gået på samme måde. Alt er gået som det skal, indtil det er gået galt, og hvorfor? Fordi man er omgivet af hundehoveder, ignoranter, fæhoveder, fejehunde, uden fantasi, et par IMPOTENTE HÆNGERØVE, et par småimpotente grødbønder

abolish money (and the state and the class society when we are already on it)

And how do you propose we actually go about doing this?

You complained about homeless people you weasely little liar. Go cry about it on /pol/ or go back to reddit

Yeah you’re right shits fucked so let’s just accept the status quo, oh would you look at that you’re just supporting the current oppressive system.
Being a centrist or “apolotical” is just being a conservative while still being able to fuck

You said Russia didn’t unilaterally invade Ukraine, because of what happened in 2014.

I’ve so far said nothing about wether or not Russia invaded Ukraine. I’ve literally only asked you about what happened in 2014. So far you’ve failed to answer.

Now you’re just projecting and insulting me instead of explaining what you mean

Yeah, like you’ve been doing all the way through. Answer the question.

I know what happened in 2014,

Then tell me. Why is it so hard to just answer a question? What happened in 2014?

2014 is when Russia first invaded Ukraine.

Is that your actual answer? That’s all you think that happened in 2014? I’m asking because it’s pretty impossible to gauge wether you’re being a smug idiot or just an idiot right now.
Getting an answer out of a lib really is like pulling teeth, you’re completely incapable of good faith discussion. Why is it so hard for you to answer a simple question? Why do you refuse to just engage in good faith with those that respond to you? Are you incapable of being a smugh shitheel?

They’re not going to be convinced

A good faith discussion is not about convincing another, but instead about having an open exchange of information.

They’re not going to be convinced when they’re already putting words in the opposition’s mouth.

They’re illustrating a point which you failed to engage with. In no way did it put words in your mouth. The fact that you choose to be insulted by the way they decided to illustrate that point rather than engage with them in good faith says a lot more about you.

To reiterate: You didn’t engage with their argument, but good try nonetheless. It’s nice to see you cling to a fallacy rather than engage in good-faith discussion of an argument clearly illustrated for you to relate to.
Do better.

There’s already one long-ass discussion about market socialism in this thread, so I’m not gonna start another, but glad to hear your perspective!

Okay, then tell me what happened in 2014. You still haven’t answered the question.

Why would you feel threatened about violence against nazis?

I’d argue Spain wasn’t a good example, since it fell to the forces of reaction.
I know I’m being reductive and I appreciate your input, but I’m just trying to say that while there are many ways to approach the question of how society should be economically structured, it must be anchored in the material reality of what threatens your society, what opportunities and weaknesses and opportunities it has. I also gotta be honest that it is not a discussion that really interests me, as it is quite far from ever being relevant to me.
The discussion is interesting to me only insofar as to understand why the existing socialist countries are structured as they are. If you haven’t already seen it I’d like to refer you to this short excerpt from one of Michael Parents Talks https://youtu.be/uThpIDlfcBQ?si=OHOPASxctMMemkNG