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  • But should it be work?

    Should we really have a society where selling your body is an opportunity to make money.

    For instance, it imply that some poor women are gonna take it regardless the consequence, just because it’s the best alternative to pay the bills.

    I can barely tolerate the physical straining we put on some workers. Sex work’s consequences are unacceptable to me in that same sens, sometimes worse.

    So sure, no matter your opinion we should respect them, and not incriminate them!

    And of course not all sex work is the same… to be acceptable it just requires better conditions. It can’t be something you choose out of need.


  • I’m exactly like that too. I think my nature isn’t nice, but i can choose to be.

    And i’m also admiring anyone that as that nice nature, i find it beautiful and extremely attractive. So to a degree i have that goal of trying to choose it whenever i can.

    One drawback, wich also coincide with my very rational personality is that i hate having too strong of an emotion, had anger issues as a kid, but also the start of love is somewhat unpleasant for example.

    But hey, to me as long as your trying to be better, your are good person.






  • I get that, most people are like you, it’s normal. Best thing for everyone is to avoid those persons.

    But my point of view is a lot more optimistic, i think having this behavior isn’t all their are defined as. They can still grow and learn, especially on other area of life.

    Depending on how much they rely on this behavior you can have two approach…

    If it’s little, you can teach them better without them knowing, as long as it doesn’t directly clash with their dogma, but it requires to be subtle.

    If they rely to much on it, the best course is to detach their opinions from the real world and only speak to them with very down to earth things.

    I know it will not always really work, most of the time my optimistic view is to idealistic. I can have it because i’m more tolerant, maybe too much.

    The goods thing is, even if i’m wrong, i can enjoy myself doing this, and for the rare time i do change something in that person, well that feels great.


  • That’s technically true, but the question then becomes, why are our assumptions different?

    If it’s based on different beliefs of what reality is (ground work), it would be normal to fight for truth.

    If it’s based on our affinity for the result of the argumentation (the house), it would also be normal to fight for our own benefit and those like us.

    So realistically i don’t see any reason as to why we should respect each other’s opinions… all would incentives us to fight for the correct assumptions.

    This in itself doesn’t mean we should stop respecting people though!









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    You’re right, it’s probably not right way ro put it, it’s not The truth in the philosophical sens.

    Although science is based on the premise such a truth exist in regard to reality. Aka what we call realism in ontology. So i think we can see science as a subset of philosophy in that sens.

    However i don’t think science is just about facts, it’s also about understanding them to a point we can predict them. That’s what we call theory or model. Hence the distinction between experimental and theoretical science.

    So what i really meant by truth is what we think is the true theories to explain phenomenons.

    That’s why i said we adapt our beliefs to proof. We don’t know if a model is correct or not, and we say we believe it’s true if there is enough evidence.

    However, what allows us to change our mind is the fact that we can’t never be 100% sure if something is true. Leaving always a possibility to correct our belief if new proof is found.

    (This idea to use probability for our beliefs is based on Bayesian epistemology.)

    For your exemple, Greeks already had pretty good geometrical knowledge, Ptolemy created this idea of epicyclic trajectories to explain geocentrism. Which is what the model of Copernicus would have resulted in earth’s frame of reference.

    (Of course Greek’s models were not as good as Copernicus, mostly because of their obsession with finding mathematics in the universe.)

    What made Galileo say his observations proved heliocentrism, and so Copernicus, is the movement of other stars around Jupiter.

    But dispite being close, Copernicus model didn’t actually worked, and so neither did Ptolemy’s idea of epicycle, because they had circular trajectories.

    It was Kepler, based on the observations of Tycho Brahe, who created a model that actually worked using elliptical trajectories, later formalize by Newton.

    (Einstein later explained how frames of reference are all physically equal. Making geocentric frame of reference not technically wrong.)

    Just to end on your last point, what i mix up isn’t science with philosophy but rather scientists. Scientists are the one that needs philosophy, they are the one concerned by moral decisions, not science itself. That’s an important distinction in most context…