This is vibes based politics.

No, an exploited class noticing their exploitation and some dude thinking he is entitled to having sex with women are not the same actually.

During revolutionary conditions a lot of bodyguards end up, you know… taking stock of where their class interests lie, if you know what I mean.

but doesn’t history teach us that violent revolution more often just begets more violence than actually solves problems?

Nope! Look at the life expectancy increases under socialist countries, they mathematically have less death!

Also compare red terrors casualty numbers to standard operating casualty numbers. Like 20 million people die of capitalism caused deprivation a year worldwide today.

The Nazis couldn’t have done the holocaust without IBM, yeah.

In the end, a populist agenda like he’s running,

Trump just straight up isn’t a populist? Fascists are pseudo-populists at best. They don’t actually care about democracy or what the majority want, just like liberals (using marxist definition of liberal)

But the soviet union didnt dissolve from a civil war, there was a US sponsored presidential coup?

Good faith efforts made by the party or by state and local dems who aren’t party insiders?

I mean we have two parties fundamentally representing similar donor interests, they swap controlled opposition roles which is more convincing than one party constantly being controlled opposition.

The US, and bourgeois democracies in general, have less political variation than one party socialist democracies. In China you have everyone from liberals (right wingers) to Maoists in government. In the US you basically only have liberals and scratched liberals.

My personal belief is that is he’s elected, our contry is on course for a soviet style breakup.

What do you mean by this? We already have austerity politics, and there isn’t a foreign superpower in control of most of our media apparatus.

I’m less worried about that, not because there aren’t evil people among the Democrats, but because the Democrats are positioning themselves as the anti-fascist party at the moment. Starting up a fascist movement of their own at the moment would be bad business.

Their rhetoric sure is, but if you look at their actual policies they’re continuing and escalating some of the worst things Trump did. Migrant concentration camps, massive police funding increases, worsening security and surveillance laws, the whole nine yards.

Also, fascism is the reassertion of the dominance of financial capital over the system and the democrats take money from the banks just as much as the Republicans.

I’m more worried about democrats having triangulated into fascism in the medium term tbh. Like competent diet fascism vs incompetent blood and soil fascism

That is what I try to communicate to folks who are freaking out about Trump. You have to worry about the next guy, and the next guy, and the next guy. You can’t just keep voting Democrat, you actually have to get organized if you want to stop fascism, because Trump isn’t the font that fascism springs from, he is an inept conman who is riding the wave.

think that is an absolutely absurd rule that can only stand to benefit the far-right.

Lol no you can still call fascists fascists. We are just asking you to use more accurate language.

Just as a heads up, we don’t like horseshoe theory here, which “authoritarian” falls under. Please refrain from horseshoe theory posting.

Also, factually, China isn’t a dictatorship. They follow a proletarian democratic model that is significantly distinct from bourgeois democratic models.

(just straight up misogyny)

Scratched liberal alert

'Aha, I have depicted my opponent as the soyjak emoji and myself as the chad!"

And wage labor and capital and value price and profit if they want to touch more on the economics.

Would you defend german ally troops during the holocaust? No? Then maybe reflect.

I’m doing about 20 hours of work a week as part of a socialist org, in service of building up a center of power to actually be able to challenge the lesser and greater fascist.

I’m thinking long term, because I’m not satisfied with “just vote for the less fascist party every four years as each party keeps getting more fascist” If all the work you’re doing is within the confines of bourgeois sham-democracy you’ll never be able to defeat fascism. Fascism is capitalism in crisis. You can either find a magic cure to stop the contradictions of capitalism from heightening or you can move toward defeating it.

The latter is the only one that has been demonstrated to actually work.

I’m dismissing your framing; I dont live in a swing state, dont try to convince me to vote for the lesser fascist.

My question is, do you care about stopping fascism or do only you care about delaying it for another four years?

Do you care enough about stopping fascism to put in work to stop it outside of election day and trying to post your way into getting people to vote? Like, seriously, are you interested in putting in actual work to prevent fascism in the US in our lifetimes? This isn’t a gotcha I’m trying to set a baseline.