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You raise an important point, though “Aboriginal” doesn’t mean “not original”. It’s derived from the Latin “ab origine”, meaning “from the beginning”.
You raise an important point, though “Aboriginal” doesn’t mean “not original”. It’s derived from the Latin “ab origine”, meaning “from the beginning”.
Dude, you’ve been called out for bullshitting and caught in a lie - which is right there, for everyone to see - and you have no response, other than to say that I’m full of shit.
You never tried to meet in the middle. You just tried to reframe, once again, claiming I was misinterpreting you. If you really meant ‘light grey’, why did you bullshit about supposed issues with dark grey and ‘black is always black’ rather than clarify? Here’s a guess: You knew you weren’t misintepreted, but when your initial response was picked apart, you thought you could lie your way out - because the alternative was admitting to being wrong, and that’s beyond your capability.
And no, I don’t mind wasting some more time to set the record straight on a public forum. But since it’s now clear to all that you’ve been arguing in bad faith all along, there really is no need to continue.
You made a blanket statement about grey/white > black/white. I countered that dark grey/white is better.
Dark grey is grey. This is a clear counter example to your blanket statement - no misinterpretation.
You could have just corrected/refined your blanket statement, but instead you lied and bs’d about why dark grey is worse, and when that was called out you tried to make out that really this is all just my misinterpretatiom. Sure dude - whatever. I’m not gonna waste any more of my time arguing with someone that is straight-up dishonest.
It’s right there in the study:
“However, black text on white background represented a severe overstimulation of the OFF channels”
And yes, the study does refer to the opposite:
“while white text on black background overstimulated the ON channels”
And
“Note that reading white text on black background (ON stimulus, denoted in green) causes choroidal thickening while black text on white background caused choroidal thinning”
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"Since choroidal thickness changes are precursors for future changes in eye growth, we expect that there will be selective effects on subsequent myopia development.
So black/white causes overstimulation (visual discomfort) and this could be causing future eye health problems.
This overstimulation is well known and understood and is why more knowledgeable web developers etc., understanding that too much contrast literally harms readability, choose something with slightly less contrast - like dark grey/white.
But you can go ahead and frame it however you like. If you’re going to continue reframing and outright lying* then there’s no point in having a discussion with you. You clearly have difficulty coming to terms with being wrong - which is really quite sad.
*You denied used anecdotal evidence for some wild, easily disproved, assertions (black is always always black), then confirmed a couple of comments later that this was based on your own years of experience - which I’m now strongly suspecting was also BS.
You said grey/white causes more eye strain than black/white. I posted a study showing black/white is worse than dark grey/white, and you’ve danced around the whole thing ever since. But sure - I’m the one digging my heels in.
It felt like you kept trying to reframe what you actually said rather than admit to being mistaken. You bemoaned the choice of grey/white over black/white. I pointed out studies showing dark grey/white to be objectively better - and rather than say “mb I meant light grey specifically”, you tried to BS about dark grey being rendered as light grey, and black always appearing black - based solely on your own experience. It’s cool - I’m done. Have a good evening.
You said “White background & gray text” in your original post - not light grey.
“From my experience of using screens like this for years”
Literally anecdotal. Search for “washed out black screen” - countless examples of black appearing grey.
“No developer ponders what shade of black to use”
And the evidence shows that if it’s on a white background, they should be pondering what else to use.
I agree that web developers/designers should be better informed about this - but the trend is probably in the right direction.
I just posted a study showing the problems of black/white. I don’t disagree about the overuse of light grey/white, but it’s really irrelevant to what I said.
The reason I felt what you were saying was anecdotal is because consistent black is really a feature of amoled screens. If a screen is so badly calibrated that dark grey is coming out substantially lighter then it’s probably going to doing something similar to black.
“Black always looks black”
“…[dark grey] text appearing light or mid grey”
These statements seem anecdotal and contradictory. You’re not really addressing the issue of black/white being overstimulating, and causing more eye strain than dark grey/white at any rate.
If the shade is really that different, then the problem is a poorly calibrated screen, and black text on white is also going to look “totally different”.
Studies have shown that the excessive contrast of black text on white overstimulates the eyes, creating more eyestrain than dark grey (#444).
Here’s a study showing how the overstimulation from black text on white background can cause myopia through choroidal thickening (and the reverse, with white text on black background causing choroidal thinning.) https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-28904-x
75:25 = 3:1, 80:20 = 4:1 so 23% is closer to 3:1 (3.348:1)
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*fish hook