Zndl points out correctly that the trick is to not update the watch past watchOS 8. I would hope the watch series 7 would still ship with watchOS 8.

The most recent watch that maxes out at watchOS 8 is the series 3 but that one is pretty underpowered, so I’d have a hard time recommending it.

Looks like you’re right. For the fine print to be right, Apple Watch Series 7 would have to ship with watchOS 8. Do you think they’re still shipping like that? What a weird dilemma.

It looks like anything from Series 7 down will work with your wife’s SE with iOS 15.

The small print from the Apple Watch Series 7:

Apple Watch Series 7 requires an iPhone 6s or later with iOS 15 or later.

iPhone SE was released after the iPhone 6s and can take iOS 15 so you should be good

Is that on the beta or just stock Ventura?

Leather is an interesting case, though, because regardless of whether or not people buy it, the cows will still be killed for meat (unless there’s a drastic change in food consumption habits).

You could make the argument that, at least in the current landscape, the purchase of leather doesn’t increase animal suffering or suffering due to the many deleterious effects of large scale beef production (deforestation for feed, the carbon output, etc.).

The only way to reduce the suffering created by a cow economy is to hit the main product driving it: beef. There are three times more beef cows than dairy cows in the U.S., so dairy consumption has an effect but it’s dwarfed by beef consumption.

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