I’m tired of the argument that the solution to fight tracking/ads/subscription/gafam is self hosting.

It’s a solution for some nice people that have knowledge, time and money for.

But it’s not a solution for everyone.
We need more small nice open source association and company that provide services for people that don’t know the difference between a web search engine and a navigator or just a server and a client. I think that initiatives like “les chatons” in France are amazing for that!!! ( https://www.chatons.org/en )

And just to be clear, I think that self-hosted services are a part of the solution. :)

You resumed very well the triangle.

My dream is to build an app/service which is easy to use as Signal but compatble with matrix and xmmp.

It’s only the groups that’s choose to be public.

You have to configure it for that.

Matrix is perfect for private and personal communication too.

I like the preamble part very much 👏🙂

Yes, a lot!!!

I mean, it depends of the context probably.

I’m using Partisan SMS

Can you use it without encryption as regular sms app ?

I hope too! 🙏

If you are concerned by privacy you should not use Google Messages because every messages passed through the Google server.

And it’s not open source.

For my point of view it’s too much to use it. :)

I think it’s a good move.

What do you think about it guys?

I love how it’s focused on stabilty in UI/UX and that it’s supported by a lots of peoples around the world.

And you can find some server here : https://github.com/ether/etherpad-lite/wiki/Sites-That-Run-Etherpad

I just discover https://puri.sm/products/librem-11/ and it looks great !

Not sure if it feat every point, specially the german keyboard ?!

That’s right but you cannot create a conversation between you and a guy with xmpp and another one with matrix.

That’s my question. :)

Hi :) yes I did. And I tried. 🙂

It’s a great multi protocol app. But you cannot chat in the same conversation with two different protocol. :/

And there is no xmpp support.

Even for the matrix federation it was possible only with the desktop app.

So that’s not that I looking for.

That’s right, but it’s not activated by default. And it’s not easy at all.

I tried for myself but that require that I configure bridge for the server, then for each room, with some strange /command I have to remember.

When I think of a service I mean a service that anyone can use, even the no tech guys.
It’s nice that it’s technically possible, though! :)

The biggest part of the question is more a UI/UX question then a technical one actually.

Thank you :)

That sounds not so complex for me.

But I think of no-technical guys and I think that create a channel and share the link is already to complex! I mean, I can teach them that, but that’s not obvious as Signal or similar app.

That’s nice, but it looks like a workaround.

I can do it for myself because I’m a geek (but I don’t want to), but if I say to my friends/colleagues that they need another smartphone at home they are going to look at me like I’m crazy !! 🫣

Nice! :)
Do you have to setup a bridge/bot for each room? Or is it at configuration at the server level?

For exemple if I have a matrix account and I use Element to create a new channel and invite some guys with IRC and some with XMPP?

The problem with peer2peer messaging is:

Though several apps that use the Tox protocol seem similar in function to regular instant messaging apps, the lack of central servers similar to XMPP or Matrix currently has the consequence that both parties of the chat need to be online for the message to be sent and received (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tox_(protocol)#Usability_as_an_instant_messenger )

That’s why I think about using only decentralized protocol.

Both (decentralized and p2p) are usefull, but that not the same usage.

Thank for sharing that. I’m going to try it. :)