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  • I don’t support either one because in many ways I think they are effectively the same. My views are certainly more in line with liberals and I think they are much less directly harmful than conservatives, but the parties themselves are more or less the same to me.

    Neither of them effectively push the policy I want, and both purposely create an unnecessary divide between each other. They both need the other to be the antagonist to continue creating this strange dramatic version of politics.

    Parts of my family refuses to speak to one another purely because of this. Their views aren’t even that far off from each other, but neither of them actually understand each other’s views. All they understand is the manufactured hate between each other.

    Again, I think conservatives usually cause the most problems, but the other party can’t exist in its current form without someone to be angry at. There is no actual motive to stop the problems from being caused, so they are only amplified and worsened.

    Both are actively creating a worse place to live in, and I wouldn’t support either one regardless of whatever views they claim to have.




  • I’m not sure why centrism is so hated here. As long as you acknowledge one side is more damaging I don’t see a problem with it. The other side might have less problematic views but they both subsist off of each other and thrive by creating vitriol between each other. It shouldn’t be taboo to not support either one. This meme doesn’t even really seem like its attempting to make that point anyway, although I understand how you could see it that way.





  • The discussion is apparently over now because you won’t continue it. But that doesn’t stop you from naming fallacies at me I guess.

    We’ve had quite a long conversation, and you have yet to provide a half decent argument for your distrust of religious people. Therefore, hateful nonsense. I can’t misrepresent your argument when I’m not even actually representing it. I’m just describing what I think it essentially boils down to. Its hateful nonsense.

    Again, correcting you is not gaslighting. You are literally just wrong.

    I did not personally attack you. I have worded things in passive aggressive ways throughout this conversation, but that’s about it. If you are referring specifically to the “hateful nonsense” part, that’s again just a description of your belief.

    Are you actually done now? Or will you keep saying random words hoping something works.


  • Emotional awareness" is the conscious aspect. You are describing a philosophical model in which to evaluate the emotional reaction.

    No, I am describing emotional awareness. The ability to understand your emotions and limit their effect on your reasoning is not a philosophical model.

    Plenty of societies justify killing for everything from self defense to promoting a master race to appeasing the gods. The emotional response to such killings are based on the philosophical model of the individual. The emotion follows the philosophy, it does not guide it.

    This is a surprisingly good argument, but it does not prove the conclusion you came to. Its more of an exception to what I said. It demonstrates that emotional responses can be impacted by philosophy. It does not demonstrate that this is always how it works, or even most of the time.

    It seems important that you be right.

    Yes, my goal in this argument was in fact to prove I am right. I do not like hateful views with no reasoning behind them.

    Now, do you wish to continue the journey anywhere else, or are you happy where you arrived?

    I’m not particularly happy because you are going to continue believing hateful nonsense, but at least I tried. I should’ve expected as much anyway, given that I’m arguing with people on the internet.


  • There is no point in discussing them because we cannot directly affect them.

    There absolutely is a point in discussing things you can’t affect. Also, you can affect their power over your ability to reason if you are emotionally aware enough.

    That is not an important question. Again, emotions are automatic responses.

    It is. If part of the topic of this conversation is people that think with their emotions, it would tell you that emotions are absolutely related to this conversation. You brought those groups up as examples yourself.

    The only route through which we can affect emotional response is philosophy.

    Not true. You can learn to control your emotions to some extent without changing philosophy. Also, your philosophy is usually based on your emotions. Not the other way around. The belief that murder is bad comes from emotion. There is no argument to be made that a human life has value. We all agree its bad anyway though, because death causes negative emotions.

    A philosophy that an individual’s personal beliefs are of greater importance than objective reality exacerbates the issues you discuss

    No one believes their personal beliefs to be more important than objective reality. They believe their personal beliefs are objective reality. They do this because of their emotions. That’s why its important to discuss them.

    You are knowingly choosing a dead-end road

    It is a destination, not a dead end. The destination being the obvious conclusion that you have no reason to distrust all religious people.

    I have nothing of value to add to your decision to follow that path, and I do not choose to walk it with you.

    You had nothing of value to add to begin with. You literally just dislike religion for no reason.