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I’d almost say your exposure is bigger in the cloud. WAY more software involved, it’s shared environment, and someone elses computer… In addition, it’s complex to properly setup. People often leave it alone once they get it working, no security test or checks.

Even IF it was because it was hosted at home, I blame the companies who build this shit. Market to end users, “super easy to use!!” But no security by default? Nuts.

Enable auto updates, randomly generated admin password (no defaults like 123456), and support for more then 3 years will go a LONG way for the average consumer.

I can get 8gbps for a reasonable price. For ~30 less I’m getting 500mbps because my firewall only supports about 700mbps of actual throughput.

The home 2.5GE routers might have 2.5gig nic but I highly doubt they can support it for a sustained time.

Welcome to the club.

The clapping killed me. Lmfao.

Yeah, it’s the entire thing /s

There was an article a couple years back saying that manufacturers will use cheaper components for the same products, making it LOOK like the same TV but it’s actually built cheaper. The really bad ones will keep the same product number/SKU but others will usually append a letter or two.

So the over all cost might be less but you’re actually getting a poor quality version.

I’m late 20s/early 30s. Since ~2011 the only social media I used was Reddit. No Facebook, Twitter, etc, etc.

What you’re saying is exactly how I met my now wife. I looked after myself, did shit I enjoyed, found community events, hobbies groups, lived life, met lots of people, made new friends. Eventually I asked one of the friends on a date and now my best friend is my wife and I can’t be happier.

I will say, not having Facebook was a problem in some areas though. I missed out on group activities, group hobby chats, that sort of thing but I didn’t care. Friends would invite me to some of them anyway. Also, It might have changed these days but a handfull of people refused to trade numbers, they wanted me to add them on Facebook which was impossible. I didn’t let that get in the way either but it was kind of ‘hard’ to miss out on a potential friendship. It all worked out in the end for me.

This and the privacy nightmare in new, always connected cars are the main reason I’m not buying anything new.

I’ve always bought used phones anyway. With eBay/kijiji/others you can request the seller to enable OEM unlocking so you know it can be done and you don’t even need to boot it into android before installing GrapeneOS.

My experience, not many people are willing to do that for you. YMMV.

I can’t unread this. Good job sir.

My fibre box does TV, phone, and internet all in one. I guess you have one for each? I’m interested to find out if you’ll share.

I think asking them what each of them do and understand it is a good first step. Maybe you can get that down to 2 boxes. Good luck!

Nice! Glad its still working! Definitely triple check with something like https://canyouseeme.org/ when you open ports. I’m a Linux Sys Admin and happy to do my best to help of you have any more questions. At least I’ll try and get you on the right track.

I 100% agree with you on the rest. Canada isn’t doing anything and at this point I’m ready to give up. I’m not sure where to draw the line anymore and self hosting is a bit of a pain for me these days. Personal life is a bit rough and it’s just so easy to make a gmail account and have them host it.

I have two small boxes in a cabinet - one is receiving a white cable that comes from outside my home, and outputs an optical signal that goes into the other box. This other box also gets a coax cable from outside my home, and outputs an ethernet connection that is connected to what my ISP calls a WiFi router. This has additional LAN ports as well.

humm, I’ve never seen or heard of this. I’ve only ever been provided one box by my ISP. I have two guesses… Either you can replace your WiFi router with your own and everything will be okay or you’ll have to add a 3rd that is your own and Plug it into the WiFi router and ask them to put it in bridge mode. My guess is they can help you a lot better then me guessing.

torrent client is bound to the interface created by the VPN client.

perfect. Then you can close the open port on your router for sure. My Torrent client (rutorrent) shows what IP and port I’m using at the bottom, these are my VPN IP and the port I opened with the VPN provider.

The IP address is outside my network

I don’t like this. That’s super weird and I would not trust it. I’m sure it’s “fine” but I’d hard pass on that. Set up my own 100% for sure.

There’s a modem connected to the WAN port, and the router/hotspot is connected to the modem. But I guess that doesn’t change anything?

I don’t understand. Can I get a pic (MS Paint or real or something) or some brand names or something? I understand if you don’t want to show, I’m just not sure what you’re saying.

My ISP gave me a white box, I plug a fibre cable from the street Plus power from the outlet into this box. Then I have a cat6 cable from this box (port 1 as per their instructions) into the WAN port of my firewall. My Firewall has a Public IP on it’s WAN interface and I have 4 ports for LAN. The same firewall gives off wifi to the rest of my house.

I will definitely need to setup this myself then. Do you run this as cron jobs?

Yeah, here’s one of them for a VPS I rent: 30 * * * * root dnf clean all ; dnf -y update && needs-restarting -r || /usr/sbin/reboot

I actually run things in Kubernetes and use https://github.com/keel-hq/keel to keep my pods (containers) up to date.

I do use a VPN (with port forwarding supported, but I have not activated it, which I know could affect performance, but I have not noticed anything here). Is the port opening on my router unnecessary in this case?

The port opening on the router is unnecessary and could be a bad thing. If you’re using a VPN with port forwarding I’d close the one on your router right now. The “open” port is open via the VPN connection so they do all the opening for you, you just need to make sure your PC is on the VPN.

Go to this site with out your VPN on, it will tell you if you’re using your raw internet to download torrents: https://iknowwhatyoudownload.com/en/peer/

it sounds like you might be doing that, or at least have the ability for people to connect to you via your ISP (bad) and not over the VPN (good)

Thinking about the torrent thing, there’s no better way to do it. I’d personally open a static port IE 12345 and point that at the torrent client on the PC. I would not randomize it and open a massive range on your firewall just in case. Then just close the client when you’re done and know that packets for 12345 will still reach your PC, they’re just dropped there.

Not that I support it, but if you’re downloading more then just Linux ISOs and you’re in a country with pretty strict laws around this sort of thing, you should be using a VPN that supports opening ports. then you do not need anything open on your firewall, just to connect to the VPN when you’re ready to sail the high seas.

UPNP should be disabled on your firewall (unless you play xbox or whatever). This allows a device, like an xbox or PC, to request your firewall open a port. This is needed for some online games to work properly but is not very good for security.

I open port 8080 where e.g. Nginx Proxy Manager listens. This is the only port anyone can gain access to anything inside my home network, and the proxy manager will say “Hey, this traffic should be redirected to port 8096 and this traffic should go to 4533”, but no direct connections to these ports can be made from outside my own network as they are not exposed.

Draw it out. anything in the path has the potential to be exploited.

Internet -> ISP router -> TCP port 8080 to Nginx Proxy Manager -> TCP 443 to Computer running docker -> Docker Container -> Service.

So, in the above, The entire world will have access to only your IP on port 8080. Nginx proxy manager will take the packet, read it, do what it needs to and forwards it to the destination. I’d say that Nginx proxy manager and the end service are at risk to be exploited. If they get in then They’d be isolated by Docker and they’d need a docker exploit to get out. However, they’ll be in the docker container so they’ll have access to whatever that container has access to, and unless you block outbound access from the container it’s basically everything in your network.

I think what you’re getting at is, if I have Nginx listening on port 443 and is open to the world, can they access my game server on port 1234 that is local only. The answer to this is no. They will not have access to the game server. They need to first hack Nginx, from the PC/Docker container they then need to have access to your game server on port 1234, and if there’s nothing block them (by default I believe there is nothing stopping this) then they can hack your game server.

No, it is https://wifi.myisp.tld.

if you ping wifi.myisp.tld what is the IP address? is it private? what if you go to http://ip.add.re.ss it should be the same thing???

If I’m connected to a VPN or through mobile, it will give me an error. With my previous ISP, it was a simple login with username and password with a SMS 2FA. I never attempted to login from elsewhere then, so it might’ve been likewise protected.

It sounds like it’s private and only you have access. However, the ISP usually have their own way to get into these devices, or at least to push updates or config changes. So your only risk here is the ISP being hacked, then getting you from there. OR the actual device it self having a flaw in it and someone getting in that way. In either case, all the ISP customers will be at risk. You can still go in bridge mode to protect from this.

Yeah, they support bridge mode. So is this essentially enabling free flow of traffic through and completely trusting the secondary router I provide myself?

yes. Bridge mode means the ISP provider router is now only for translation (IE: from coaxial/DSL/Fibre to RJ45/cat cable). You plug the ISP device into the WAN port of your own device and now your device has the public IP address and that is what your trusting to protect you.

And if someone then disabled bridge mode in the online interface (again assuming that this would be possible), I am not exposed as long as I have my own router following the provider’s router?

yeah, as long as the ISP router is plugged into the WAN port of your router and ONLY the WAN port, then you’re safe from the ISP shenanigans.

What happens if I have a port open that nothing is listening to?

The firewall/router will forward that packet to the IP and port. If there is no device on that IP the packet will be dropped inside your network and nothing will happen. If there is a computer there and the Computer firewall is blocking access to that port, the PC Firewall will either drop it or reply saying it’s closed. This depends on how the PC firewall is configured. If the PC has the port open but there is no service, the PC should just drop the packet but it will still make it to the comptuer.

Is that a security concern? For example, the ports to my torrent clients when I am not using the torrent client.

Yes and no. Something could start listening on that port and start replying, You’ll have no idea if a service is listening on it unless your looking or it’s too late.

Ignoring the fact that something COULD start listening on it, then no, there’s no real concern but I’d never do this myself. It’s like giving out a bad phone number as your number, IT’s possible someone will be given this phone number and now you’ll have problems.

As I mentioned above, I am considering a reverse proxy, which to my understanding also limits the number of ports open to 1. How does that compare securitywise in your opionin?

that’s fine, just keep everything in the path up to date. I have port 443 open pointing to nginx, from here I forward traffic to Home Assistant, NextCloud, Headscale, etc, etc. They’re hosted in docker.

I have scripts that try to update everything every hour and I’m not really worried. I’d rather a update to a new version take down my services then trust myself to login every couple days and do it manually.

“Setup a firewall” - on my server or on the router? Or both?

Both. Access from the internet to your devices is protected from your Router. You should only ever open ports to things you want to access outside of your house. For example, a website on TCP 443 is a good thing to allow. Database access on TCP 3306 is NOT something you want to access from the internet.

Internal to your network, you can open up the Database port on TCP 3306 if another computer in your network needs access to it. Don’t leave it open for no reason.

And since my router is provided by my ISP which has its settings exposed through their online portal (which I hate the thought of), how does that factor in?

Is it a private IP Address you use to access (IE http://192.168.0.1 or is it some other thing?) If it’s a private IP address, that’s standard and is no problem. I’ve never heard of logging into something like a public website to open ports on your router.

What use is a router firewall if someone gains access to this portal and can configure at will?

If someone has access to your Internet Providers firwall/router combo device thingy, then it’s game over. they can open any ports, do anything they want to it. However, this is unlikely. Make sure to keep your Router up to date and only open ports that you know what they’re for 100% and what they do. NEVER allow access to the admin panel from the internet (WAN port). Though, if you need to use their public website (which I doubt) then it’s moot and you cant do anything.

Can I set up the router in bridge mode and incorporate my own router, and thus have complete local control of my network?

Yes, if they support it. This is what I do and that’s exactly what’s it’s for.

Couldn’t someone simply deactivate this in the online portal if they gained access there?

Sure but this would give them access to your Providers firewall, which you have your own firewall plugged into so it doesn’t matter. You will still be protected by your self provided firewall, some things will stop working (you’ll be double NATed so public services might not work) and it’ll be a clue someone changed something on your Providers firewall.

And if I open ports in the firewall for a specific application, what risks am I running outside of exploits in the applications themselves? For example, I have opened a port in the router settings for torrenting Linux ISOs (for a specific local IP) - could traffic through the same port be used to compromise the network in other ways? etc. etc.

Yeah, so if you open no ports. you block everything… The only exposure (of people trying to connect to you) is the firewall/router you have sitting there watching what goes on. Keeping this up to date is VERY important and they have pretty good history of not being hacked so I’d say you’re safe. For each port you open you add a service that people from anywhere in the world can talk to. So, if you open port TCP 443 and have Nginx or a website answering requests, you now need to make sure this is as secure as possible. ANYONE ANYWHERE can talk to it. If a exploit is found in Nginx/your website then it can be used to get access into that computer, From there, they are on your computer and can see anything that computer has access to. If you have 2 ports open. IE website + Torrenting, Now you have two things you MUST keep up to date because anyone can talk to them and exploit them to get into your computer. This is why you MUST know what is open to the internet and what it’s doing. The more things you have the more options you give hackers to get in.

Suddenly I have fifteen questions. So when trying to research the answer to these questions, I often get slapped with five concepts I either barely have grasp of or don’t know at all in one sentence that tries to explain what is going on. It’s not that it is impossible to learn this way, but it tends to quickly become overwhelming, and I run into explanations of concepts I don’t have enough prerequisites to learn properly yet. Which is why I am trying to get a coherent introduction to all the topics in a sensible, curated way to beef up my understanding of it, so that the research process becomes easier.

I would do what they said. Start small and at the first point of contact. Understand what is plugged into the internet (ISP Router) and all the settings on it. Understand what NAT means, understand how to open ports, etc. Then start small, Set up a computer and make sure you know what ports are open. If you want a website set it up so it works internally, test it, maybe port scan your server (with nmap or something) to see what’s open and understand what they’re for. Close the ports you don’t need open then you can consider opening it from the internet.

the most important thing is keeping it up to date and only open what you need access to.

A side point is, if it’s just you that needs access to it, consider a VPN (wireguard) or overlay network (tailscale) so you only need to open one port and that will give you access to everything you need in your network.

Honestly, I’m of the same opinion as other people here. If you’re in a costume and yell “trick or treat” at my door, you get candy. I don’t judge people for shit, live your best life man.

Everyone has feelings, everyone has their own problems, and it feels good to be happy. If I can make anyone’s day a little bit better I will. If that means giving candy to a fat, bearded, 40-something man alone in a costume alone, take it brother.

Weird? sure, I get that too. Personally, I won’t go door to door for candy either, it’s not something I find fun. Will I gatekeep someone from having their definition of fun for… what ~$2? in candy I was going to give away otherwise? Nawh.

Why though? Sure they’re old enough to buy their own but who cares if they’re having fun? You’re going to tell someone who put in effort to put on a costume no?

You sounds kind of grumpy, IMO. Who cares what other people do? In my opinion, being an adult is boring. Outside of work you only have a couple hours to yourself. Then there’s house work, eating, errands. You have to make time for fun.

Yeahhhh, I did not care for the “Santa toys” as much as I did the ones from my parents. I still regret that to this day. If it stopped working or I lost it I’d think it was okay because it was free.

Though, in grade ~2 i told everyone i could go work in Santa’s work shop if I tried more new foods…