• yiliu@informis.land
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      As bad as it is in many ways, it’s better for the environment. There’s less actual consumption.

      There’s a certain strain of Leftism that sees that people are taking the climate crisis seriously, so they’re like “Oh shit, it’s my chance to make good! If you care about the environment, you gotta give me shit! Capitalism is bad for the environment, and the opposite of capitalism is money in my pocket, let’s get going!”

      It’s purely self-serving.

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        Am I reading you right, that full tilt, unashamed crony capitalism is good for the environment?

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          As opposed to what?

          Jesus Christ returning and establishing God’s Kingdom on Earth? Yeah, capitalism is probably worse.

          Compared to Soviet Communism? Way better.

          When people say “we need to stop capitalism”, do they mean add some new regulations? Or do they mean overthrowing society and replacing it with some as-yet-completely-nebulous leftist system? Cuz, like, I could get on board with the first one. But the second, or variations thereof, are downright ridiculous.

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            As opposed to regulated capitalism, with social safety nets, privatized losses, public services and utilities, regulations, and real accountability for choices that get people hurt.

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              I’m…not sure you’re really in sync with a lot of the people here. I’m 100% in favor of all of that, which I would just call healthy capitalism.

              I guess I’m reacting to other conversations I’ve had today. A lot of people with Mao banners and Che Guevara profile pics, calling for the total overthrow of capitalism.

              If people are just talking about capitalism with accountability, hell, sign me up.