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            3 months ago

            The lie the new atheist movement led everyone to believe was that religion is the problem, and that when we get rid of religion then everyone will be happy and get along. America is the furthest from religion it has been in its history, are things going great?

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              3 months ago

              On issues motivated by religion, yes, America is moving in the right direction. LGBT acceptance, reproductive rights, etc.

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                3 months ago

                The whole culture is influenced by religion, its not just paticular issues. I would argue that america is literally falling apart right now, and we are in for some serious issues. I understand that much of it can be associated to other things, but I think much of it has to do with loss of purpose and morals.

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                  3 months ago

                  I can see why you would think that society is failing. You are religiously motivated, and religion consistently falls on the wrong side of issues. As mentioned, LGBTQ. Society is rapidly improving for transgender individuals, despite religiously-motivated efforts to block and reverse such progress. To the religious, this is a failure of society, a degradation of morality.

                  To trans individuals, their friends and family, it’s a sign of improvement, and cause for hope.

                  Same with reproductive rights. Non-religious people believe that banning abortion creates more tragedy than it prevents. Religious people believe the opposite. So when Ohio, Kansas, and every other state that has asked the question has arrived at a pro-choice answer, religious people think it a failure, and non-religious think it progress.

                  Religion is losing control of the people. To the religiously-controlled, that’s a bad thing. To the non-religious, it’s a welcome relief.

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                    I am stepping out from my personal beliefs and looking at things on a cultural level. The problem with your argument is that you are isolating everything and not looking at the overall picture. You cant just point to a thing and say that it is good but not look at the other impacts or influences that caused it to happen or are a consequence. Right now I can look at the overall situation in america and see we have people that lack purpose and unity, and many people that literally want to destroy it all and rebuild it in a false utopia. So even if you think all religion is false you should be able to recognize the overall stability it provided.

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      3 months ago

      Probably not possible to accurately know. Death tolls from all major offenders in the millions

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        Yeah exactly. If you look at the top bad guys of last century, the names that will roll into your head should be; stalin, mao, hitler, pol pot. And what you will notice as none of those guys had a paticular religion and were maybe even anti religion. So the idea that religion is the thing that causes the harm doesnt make any sense.

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            3 months ago

            Hitler was not a christian, he literally wanted to get the christian influence out of german society.

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          3 months ago

          Christianity has killed way more than those individuals could ever dream of

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            3 months ago

            Sure thing bro, commands like “love thy neighbor” just throw people into a murderous craze!

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              3 months ago

              What about two commandments for cheating on your wife? A greater sin than murder lol

              It only exists to control people

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                I will tell you this once because I feel like I am going to waste my time, but maybe it will stick. Christianity has a bunch of rules, and it has nothing to do with controlling people, it has to do with the best functioning society and what is actually good for people. It is the reason why western civilization has done so well for so many centuries. Things like cheating on your wife is bad for society and for the individuals, that is why it is prohibited. My comment is an outside observation of what the religion of christianity does, other religions have different features.

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                  3 months ago

                  Christianity has a bunch of rules, and it has nothing to do with controlling people,

                  The rules of Christianity aren’t written in the Bible.