I think it’s a better name. My only issue is that it is an even better name for what happened in Haiti, where the enslaved rose up, defeated their masters, got revenge, and formed a nation.
I wish the nation was more of a success today, but it should still be celebrated as a victory for humanity.
Me too. You can mostly thank the US and especially France for that tbh. They both extorted Haiti for a debt of lost “property” owed to France. And by “property” I mean formerly enslaved human beings! That shit went on for 122 years and the first annual payment “owed” was of SIX TIMES the annual revenue of Haiti! 🤬
The New York Times did what I think was the best article ever on this entire subject in 2022, and while it is a very long read, it is a deep and accurate dive into the French history, endless threats of war and repayments, and then the US coming into take whatever was left in the 20th century. And the pictures are also incredibly good, especially the ruins of La Citadelle in the fog (having just read exactly what it was there for).
Easily the most informative – and moving – piece I have ever read on Haiti. If I remember correctly, it started off as a journalist’s attempt to tally the actual numbers, and ended up being a great deal more. It also explores how it wasn’t just the loss of Haiti’s cash to France, but the parallel loss of not having any of that cash invested in its own people, commerce, or society: it was a double blow that has gone on for centuries.
Don’t even dignify it with calling it a war, it was an act of treason and ought be looked at as nothing more than a national betrayal made in the name of paranoid slave oligarchs
Clarify which of the two you’re talking about at the start of your post. The post you’re replying to is mostly discussing Haiti and your comment made be do a double-take.
Slavery was about 99% of what drove the entire thing, so it makes sense to me.
“No it was about states rights”
“States rights to what?”
Gotta plug doobus goobus too https://youtu.be/-ZB2ftCl2Vk?si=E3ckE6fse3SD4wCd
This is my favorite argument.
states right to sucede from the union
but then again, why did they want to sucede?
I think it’s a better name. My only issue is that it is an even better name for what happened in Haiti, where the enslaved rose up, defeated their masters, got revenge, and formed a nation.
I wish the nation was more of a success today, but it should still be celebrated as a victory for humanity.
Me too. You can mostly thank the US and especially France for that tbh. They both extorted Haiti for a debt of lost “property” owed to France. And by “property” I mean formerly enslaved human beings! That shit went on for 122 years and the first annual payment “owed” was of SIX TIMES the annual revenue of Haiti! 🤬
Wikipedia article
The New York Times did what I think was the best article ever on this entire subject in 2022, and while it is a very long read, it is a deep and accurate dive into the French history, endless threats of war and repayments, and then the US coming into take whatever was left in the 20th century. And the pictures are also incredibly good, especially the ruins of La Citadelle in the fog (having just read exactly what it was there for).
Easily the most informative – and moving – piece I have ever read on Haiti. If I remember correctly, it started off as a journalist’s attempt to tally the actual numbers, and ended up being a great deal more. It also explores how it wasn’t just the loss of Haiti’s cash to France, but the parallel loss of not having any of that cash invested in its own people, commerce, or society: it was a double blow that has gone on for centuries.
Here are the links for anyone interested:
NY Times – The Root of Haiti’s Misery: Reparations to Enslavers
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Haiti would be better called ‘the slave revolution’
Personally I’d rather “The Slaver’s Treason”
Don’t even dignify it with calling it a war, it was an act of treason and ought be looked at as nothing more than a national betrayal made in the name of paranoid slave oligarchs
Clarify which of the two you’re talking about at the start of your post. The post you’re replying to is mostly discussing Haiti and your comment made be do a double-take.