A top Hamas political official told The Associated Press the Islamic militant group is willing to agree to a truce of five years or more with Israel and that it would lay down its weapons and convert into a political party if an independent Palestinian state is established along pre-1967 borders.

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    5 months ago

    I would personally reject this deal.

    The Palestinian people do not deserve to live under the rule of Hamas. In 19 years of living under Hamas, after all the money given to them by the US, France, the UK, Qatar, Iran, and even Israel, the only thing they built for the Palestinian people has been tunnels to commit terrorism from.

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        5 months ago

        I mean yeah, but why can’t we have a two state solution that gets rid of Hamas as a governing authority and also stops genocide?

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          5 months ago

          The thing you will notice about these accounts is that they aren’t actually allowed to make unqualified anti-Hamas statements.

          Because they almost certainly aren’t real accounts.

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              5 months ago

              Clearly humans are operating the accounts, friend.

              Are you being forced to jump to the defense of Pro-Hamas accounts, or is it a hobby?

              • ✺roguetrick✺@lemmy.world
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                Oh, it’s just that everyone that thinks different than you is under duress huh? Or paid? I guess I’m that case I don’t think you’re being vacuous.

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                  I have probably 15 accounts in my inbox accusing me, an explicitly pro-Palestinian person, of being pro-genocide, because I have made anti-Hamas comments. You being one of them.

                  Perhaps you have a better explanation. Is the movement so full of idiots who can’t differentiate between Hamas and the Palestinian people, or is something else happening here? You tell me.

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              5 months ago

              Probably thr same rate as you. Though somebody told me they aren’t actually paying you, just offering vague promises of virgins in the afterlife.

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                Lol there is no afterlife my guy. So ain’t no promise of virgins is going to convince me to do anything.

                Why would I want to fuck virgins anyway? I’d prefer the ladies be somewhat experienced… Otherwise it’s boring.

                I wouldn’t accept payment for this, I have a real job that’s actually productive and makes peoples’ lives better in tangible ways. That’s enough for me. This is just bonus.

                Maybe that’s just a “leftist” attitude that you can’t comprehend.

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                  Are Pro-Hamas tankies actually part of the left though? I don’t know, man, so far I would say you are severely too rightwing for me.

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      After Ireland gained independence they fought a civil war. Same in countless outer places. The Greeks fought one while fighting for independence. I fully expect the Palestinians to do the same.

      The thing is: the Israelis don’t get to decide any of this. That what independence from Israel means.

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        Israel is preventing this self determination by enforcing the weapons blockade on Gaza. All Israel has to do is nothing. Just stop actively preventing these people from being armed, and the human spirit will do the rest.

        And just to be clear, I do NOT mean “CIA should go train some paramilitary to take down Hamas”.

        Instead I mean “This is a gun store. Any adult may come here and trade money for a gun. That gun is now yours to do with as you see fit. You can hang it on your wall. You can use it to make sandwiches. You can shoot cans in an alley. Whatever. It’s your gun.”

        Literally just let these people exercise their rights.

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          Israel is preventing this because, in practice, most people don’t want to die in a civil war. This would just lead to better-equipped terrorists killing even more Jews.

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      The fact that a large number of people in the West are denying this and portraying Hamas as freedom fighters is very worrying.

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        The fact that a large number of people in the West are waking up from the Zionist propaganda is very worrying to you?

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          Israel being evil doesn’t make Hamas the good guys. If you butcher unarmed men, women, and children, then you’re fucking evil. Fuck Isreal, and fuck Hamas.

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            “Hitler being evil doesn’t make the Allies the good guys! They bombed Dresden and killed many German civilians!”

            “Everyone who does a war crime is equally evil and if you aren’t perfect when you fight back against being Genocided you are equally as evil as the party doing the Genocide!”

            Is the PA going to stop israel doing Genocide? Were you doing it? Was America doing it?

            Nobody was doing it. Nobody cared. So Hamas fought back. Nobody did anything when they peacefully protested in 2018. Don’t complain now.

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              At some point you might learn that simplistic, childish concepts of pure good and evil rarely apply in this world. Yes, the Allies were the good guys in WW2. Being the good guy doesn’t mean you’re perfect, because absolutely nothing is.

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                At some point you might learn that lesson yourself.

                Go find out what the ANC did in South Africa to free themself from their colonizers. Go find out how the Haitans rebelled against their colonizers. Go learn how the American Natives fought back against their colonizers.

                Hamas colonial resistance was probably one of the most targeted in all of history with a 33%+ soldier kill rate. But of course nothing is good enough for those that demand absolute perfection from angry people in a concentration camp.

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                  Like the other user said, the anti-apartheid movement in South Africa only became successful after it abandoned violent resistance - and citing Haiti as an aspirational example is downright hysterical.

                  There’s also a massive difference between demanding outright perfection and not applauding people who behead Asian guest workers (who, as I’m sure you are aware, but equally willing to ignore, are not “evil Zionist colonizers”) with a rusty gardening hoe while live-streaming the torture-murder on the Internet. Coincidentally, you seem to have no trouble with demanding outright perfection from the IDF, who, by the way, has a roughly similar soldier kill rate in this conflict according to most estimates - but I bet you are not willing to applaud them for that.

                  As for what Gaza actually was, here’s what this supposed “concentration camp” looked like before the war:

                  https://youtu.be/W1r1z3x53ZU

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              Hamas “fought back” by breaking down the doors of Israeli homes and slaughtering the families cowering inside. Gunning down teenagers at a music festival and kidnapping the survivors. That wasn’t strategy. That was fanatical hatred, cowardly, and evil.

              Hamas are cowards, perfectly happy to sit back and watch innocent Palestinians be slaughtered in the aftermath.