Google rolled out AI overviews across the United States this month, exposing its flagship product to the hallucinations of large language models.

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    5 months ago

    Can we swap out the word “hallucinations” for the word “bullshit”?

    I think all AI/LLM stuf should be prefaced as “someone down the pub said…”

    So, “someone down the pub said you can eat rocks” or, “someone down the pub said you should put glue on your pizza”.

    Hallucinations are cool, shit like this is worthless.

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      No, hallucination is a really good term. It can be super confident and seemingly correct but still completely made up.

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        It is, but it isnt applicable in at least the glue-pizza situation as the probable source comment has been found on reddit.

        A better use of the term might be how when you try to get Bing’s image creator to make “Battletech” art, you just mostly get really obvious Warhammer 40k Space Marines and occasionally Iron Maiden album art.

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        5 months ago

        for it to “hallucinate” things, it would have to believe in what it’s saying. ai is unable to think - so it cannot hallucinate

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          Hallucination is a technical term. Nothing to do with thinking. The scientific community could have chosen another term to describe the issue but hallucination explains really well what’s happening.

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            5 months ago

            huh, i kinda assumed it was a term made up/taken by journalists mostly, are there actual research papers on this using that term?

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      Google search isnt a hallucination now though.

      It instead proves that LLMs just reproduce from the model they are supplied with. For example, the “glue on pizza” comment is from a reddit user called FuckSmith roughly 11 years ago.

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        It instead proves that LLMs just reproduce from the model they are supplied with.

        What do you mean by that? This isn’t some secret but literally how LLMs work. lol What people mean by hallucinating is when LLMs “create” facts that aren’t any. Be it this genius recipe of glue pizza, or any other wild combination of its model’s source material. The whole cooking thing is a great analogy actually because it’s like all of their fed information are the ingredients, and it just spits out various recipes based on those ingredients, without any guarantee that it is actually edible.

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          There are a lot of people, including google itself, claiming that this behaviour is an isolated and basically blamed users for trolling them.

          https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd11gzejgz4o

          I was working on the concept of “hallucinations” being things returned that are unrelated to the input query, not directly part of the model as with the glue-pizza.

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              A Google spokesperson told the BBC they were “isolated examples”.

              Some of the answers appeared to be based on Reddit comments or articles written by satirical site, The Onion.

              But Google insisted the feature was generally working well.

              “The examples we’ve seen are generally very uncommon queries, and aren’t representative of most people’s experiences,” it said in a statement.

              It said it had taken action where “policy violations” were identified and was using them to refine its systems.

              That’s precisely what they are saying.

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                I’m sorry but reading this as “Google blames users for trolling them” is either pure mental gymnastics or mental illness.

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      I don’t even think hallucinations is the right word for this. It’s got a source. It is giving you information from that source. The problem is it’s treating the words at that source as completely factual despite the fact that they are not. Hallucinations from what I’ve read actually is more like when it queries it’s data set, can’t find an answer, and then generates nonsense in order to provide an answer it doesn’t have. Don’t think that’s the same thing.

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        I don’t even think it’s correct to say it’s querying anything, in the sense of a database. An LLM predicts the next token with no regard for the truth (there’s no sense of factual truth during training to penalize it, since that’s a very hard thing to measure).

        Keep in mind that the same characteristic that allows it to learn the language also allows it to sort of come up with facts, it’s just a statistical distribution based on the whole context, which needs a bit randomness so it can be “creative.” So the ability to come up with facts isn’t something LLMs were designed to do, it’s just something we noticed that happens as it learns the language.

        So it learned from a specific dataset, but the measure of whether it will learn any information depends on how well represented it is in that dataset. Information that appears repeatedly in the web is quite easy for it to answer as it was reinforced during training. Information that doesn’t show up much is just not gonna be learned consistently.[1]

        [1] https://youtu.be/dDUC-LqVrPU

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          I understand the gist but I don’t mean that it’s actively like looking up facts. I mean that it is using bad information to give a result (as in the information it was trained on says 1+1 =5 and so it is giving that result because that’s what the training data had as a result. The hallucinations as they are called by the people studying them aren’t that. They are when the training data doesn’t have an answer for 1+1 so then the LLM can’t do math to say that the next likely word is 2. So it doesn’t have a result at all but it is programmed to give a result so it gives nonsense.

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      I want an AI/LLM that has been trained exclusively on the technical documentation and a haynes manual for a make and model of car.

      “Hey AI, how do I change the fuel filter and what tools will I need?”

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          Manufacturers and dealers dont tend to make service bulletins and the high level stuff available to the consumer unfortunately.

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        You can sorta get that now if you play with it. I was building a driver a few months back and gave it the PDFs involved.