• Zloubida@lemmy.world
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    Denying the Jews the right to self-determination that all other peoples have is antisemitic.

    Israel is a criminal state that should be stopped. But we can do that, we should do that, without antisemitism.

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      Denying the Jews the right to self-determination that all other peoples have is antisemitic.

      Palestine doesn’t have that right right now, and that is because of Israel.

      How do you think that should be righted?

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        The goal should be the two states solution. It won’t be possible if there isn’t a strong international pressure on Israel. Again, Israel is a criminal state and should be treated as such. So is Russia, and nobody publishes memes on how Russia has no right to exist.

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          We have seen how well the two states solution worked in the last 50 years.

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          I agree two states are probably the most realistic solution to the current situation. But I don’t think Israel should have been established by colonial powers in the first place.

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      Nobody is suggesting that, people are arguing in favor of dismantling a fascist ethno-state.

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          A single state solution over Palestine and former Israel, with equal citizenship.

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                If the Jew people of Palestine want the independence, who are we to deny it? The only moral solution in this case is the two states solution.

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                  Ethnostates are bad, and right now we have a fascist ethno state destroying people.

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                    Israel is a lot of things, but not an ethnostate. Falashas and Sefardim aren’t white, and they’re recognized as citizens as much as Ashkenazim, at least legally (there is racism between Jews in Israel too, but it’s the case everywhere).

                    I don’t understand why Israel is the only criminal State in the world that progressive people want totally destroyed. Russia, Iran, Syria, … are imperialist criminal states too, and progressive people “only” want their government changed. I want the fascist government of Israel overthrown, but I have no right to call for the destruction of the country itself. The only difference is Judaism.