Like, would I really feel ok supporting an industry like that? With their shitty wages, horrible copyright practices, just evil corporate practices (nepotism, extortion, sexism, etc) - not exclusive to entertaining industry, but I can def chose not to support & fuel the suffering.
I want & do pay for small studio projects, FOSS initiatives, etc.
Let’s normalise that so that such support may grow and change the world.
Long live there *arr services & their contribution to worlds culture & humanity through equality/comradeship.
Yep, supporting artists and not parasitic corporations is always preferable. Unfortunately, said parasitic conglomerates try to get their greedy piggy tendrils into everything they can
Yeah, it’s really hard and often impossible to support the artists that you want.
A good movie, but most of the people involved made fixed wages (no sales) whilst 90+% of the protis goes to the studio and the lead actor and director (+ credited people that never even saw the project, but you know, money favours)?
Yeah, your money vote does not go to what you want to support/sponsor.
A publisher is selling a game that it got by buying a studio & getting rid of the devs? What’s their added value? That’s just capital yields, like landlording.
I have grown up with pirating. I didn’t even know that you can pay for stuff for a while lol. Yet just the other day I bought the plushie DLC for portal revolution, caz it was an amazing experience, and it was a free passion project from the fans to the fans.
If it comes down to morals, don’t pirate, boycott. If your actions can be perceived as indistinguishable from selfishness, they probably are. And the only message you’re sending is “we need to crack down more on piracy” not any actual good.
No. You sound apologetic towards shareholders.
Morals are not the same as laws, lol.
And when something is part of the everyday life like this it isn’t really the best thing to stay out of.
Also, boycotting something I wouldn’t have payed for doesn’t make sense. I don’t even understand what you mean.
And what you call selfishness is the boycott here. That takes away from the megacorps (and not from the artists).
I don’t wanna boycott people making series, I want way-too-big publishers & co to die.
Agreed. Don’t know why you’re saying that, since I didn’t mention the law anywhere.
And what you call selfishness is the boycott here. That takes away from the megacorps
It is not. If you boycott something you aren’t benefitting. You are making a sacrifice in order to enact a change. And critically, if corporations want you behave differently, in a boycott they give in to demands. With piracy, they try to crack down on piracy.
(and not from the artists).
I’m sorry, how do the artists get paid when you pirate?
I don’t wanna boycott people making series, I want way-too-big publishers & co to die.
If that is genuinely what you want, all you have to do is not purchase the content. Pirating it does not help you kill giant publishers. All it does is make it shittier for the people funding your free entertainment.
As I said in a different comment, if this is actually a moral thing for you, for every dollar you save by not paying for the things you enjoy, donate it to a union. If you’re not, it clearly wasn’t really about the artists, it was about you getting free shit.
I have to say I mostly disagree with your points.
At that kind of profit margins only the dividends get financed.
And I do spent the money on donations (FOSS devs, Wiki, random research, animal stuff), tho I haven’t though of donating to unions. I didn’t even know that is a thing. It isn’t where I live.
I understand they need to be financed, but the whole point of unions is to get a better bargaining position & thus finance. That shouldn’t need money. You dont donate to the strog guy that already has the power, you donate to the poor. Ot perhaps like some sort of semi-political parties that help organise workers? But we have regulators that strongly encourage unions at certain company size or sector.
What you can donate to or finance is smol studios. That’s boycotting the big studios, regardless of content consumption.
What are the margins, specifically? Do you do the research on every piece of media you take, or is “just kinda a feeling” that you believe enough for you to feel fine about what you do? And what is your line for at what point you’ll grace them with your money?
It’s great that you make donations, but do you make contributions in line with what you would have paid for the media to take? If so, I believe you that it’s not about the money but a moral stance. If not, I don’t believe that you aren’t doing it for your own self interest.
I understand they need to be financed, but the whole point of unions is to get a better bargaining position & thus finance. That shouldn’t need money. You dont donate to the strog guy that already has the power, you donate to the poor. Ot perhaps like some sort of semi-political parties that help organise workers? But we have regulators that strongly encourage unions at certain company size or sector.
I’m genuinely not sure what you’re trying to say here. Are you saying that you don’t think unions need money? Are you familiar with union dues? Or strike funds? Lobbyists or lawyers?
And are you saying that the unions are the “strog guys?” If so, then why are you saying that they don’t make enough of a percent for it to justify you paying them for their work? If you want to pay to the poor or a charity, fine.
My fundamental point is, if you pirate a $20 movie/game/whatever and you don’t donate $20 to whatever cause you feel is worthwhile, and instead keep that money for yourself, you are pirating because you want things without having to pay for it. Full stop. Anything else is just trying to justify your free shit.
Archival and piracy are different. For you to pirate, there was already an archival copy. Mission accomplished. You downloading a copy without paying for it is not you helping preservation.
There’s few things that piss me off as much as self-righteous pirates. You want to say you’re doing this out of a moral stand? Boycott. Give specifics for what union terms would be good enough for you to deign to pay people for their work. Check with the actual people in the industry for if they would prefer you pay or pirate. For every dollar you’re not paying, donate it to a union.
Or just admit you’re pirating selfishly because you can get cool stuff for free and rely on other people to fund.
And more importantly, did Netflix pay the creators a greater amount for the relatively little amount of money they were charging you? Was Netflix more moral because of their treatment of employees? Is that why it allegedly killed piracy?
What’s that? No? It was just convenient and cheap? I guess it is, once again, just about you not wanting to pay money for things other people make.
Why pay corporate scum when you can not :| sorry not sorry people in the entertainment industry. You should negotiate better union terms.
Yes, it really does come to morals.
Like, would I really feel ok supporting an industry like that? With their shitty wages, horrible copyright practices, just evil corporate practices (nepotism, extortion, sexism, etc) - not exclusive to entertaining industry, but I can def chose not to support & fuel the suffering.
I want & do pay for small studio projects, FOSS initiatives, etc.
Let’s normalise that so that such support may grow and change the world.
Long live there *arr services & their contribution to worlds culture & humanity through equality/comradeship.
Yep, supporting artists and not parasitic corporations is always preferable. Unfortunately, said parasitic conglomerates try to get their greedy piggy tendrils into everything they can
Yeah, it’s really hard and often impossible to support the artists that you want.
A good movie, but most of the people involved made fixed wages (no sales) whilst 90+% of the protis goes to the studio and the lead actor and director (+ credited people that never even saw the project, but you know, money favours)?
Yeah, your money vote does not go to what you want to support/sponsor.
A publisher is selling a game that it got by buying a studio & getting rid of the devs? What’s their added value? That’s just capital yields, like landlording.
I have grown up with pirating. I didn’t even know that you can pay for stuff for a while lol. Yet just the other day I bought the plushie DLC for portal revolution, caz it was an amazing experience, and it was a free passion project from the fans to the fans.
Yes, I do the anti-boycotting as much as I can too.
Also bought all the games I played growing up (the ones you can buy that is).
If it comes down to morals, don’t pirate, boycott. If your actions can be perceived as indistinguishable from selfishness, they probably are. And the only message you’re sending is “we need to crack down more on piracy” not any actual good.
No. You sound apologetic towards shareholders.
Morals are not the same as laws, lol.
And when something is part of the everyday life like this it isn’t really the best thing to stay out of.
Also, boycotting something I wouldn’t have payed for doesn’t make sense. I don’t even understand what you mean.
And what you call selfishness is the boycott here. That takes away from the megacorps (and not from the artists).
I don’t wanna boycott people making series, I want way-too-big publishers & co to die.
Agreed. Don’t know why you’re saying that, since I didn’t mention the law anywhere.
It is not. If you boycott something you aren’t benefitting. You are making a sacrifice in order to enact a change. And critically, if corporations want you behave differently, in a boycott they give in to demands. With piracy, they try to crack down on piracy.
I’m sorry, how do the artists get paid when you pirate?
If that is genuinely what you want, all you have to do is not purchase the content. Pirating it does not help you kill giant publishers. All it does is make it shittier for the people funding your free entertainment.
As I said in a different comment, if this is actually a moral thing for you, for every dollar you save by not paying for the things you enjoy, donate it to a union. If you’re not, it clearly wasn’t really about the artists, it was about you getting free shit.
my guy, they were already paid for their time, this isn’t a small indie production.
You didn’t answer the question. Where did the money come from that paid for their time?
I have to say I mostly disagree with your points.
At that kind of profit margins only the dividends get financed.
And I do spent the money on donations (FOSS devs, Wiki, random research, animal stuff), tho I haven’t though of donating to unions. I didn’t even know that is a thing. It isn’t where I live.
I understand they need to be financed, but the whole point of unions is to get a better bargaining position & thus finance. That shouldn’t need money. You dont donate to the strog guy that already has the power, you donate to the poor. Ot perhaps like some sort of semi-political parties that help organise workers? But we have regulators that strongly encourage unions at certain company size or sector.
What you can donate to or finance is smol studios. That’s boycotting the big studios, regardless of content consumption.
What are the margins, specifically? Do you do the research on every piece of media you take, or is “just kinda a feeling” that you believe enough for you to feel fine about what you do? And what is your line for at what point you’ll grace them with your money?
It’s great that you make donations, but do you make contributions in line with what you would have paid for the media to take? If so, I believe you that it’s not about the money but a moral stance. If not, I don’t believe that you aren’t doing it for your own self interest.
I’m genuinely not sure what you’re trying to say here. Are you saying that you don’t think unions need money? Are you familiar with union dues? Or strike funds? Lobbyists or lawyers?
And are you saying that the unions are the “strog guys?” If so, then why are you saying that they don’t make enough of a percent for it to justify you paying them for their work? If you want to pay to the poor or a charity, fine.
My fundamental point is, if you pirate a $20 movie/game/whatever and you don’t donate $20 to whatever cause you feel is worthwhile, and instead keep that money for yourself, you are pirating because you want things without having to pay for it. Full stop. Anything else is just trying to justify your free shit.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
That literally doesn’t make sense here.
unless you bring in archival, in which case piracy is actually morally good, because of how often content just fucking disappears from the market.
Archival and piracy are different. For you to pirate, there was already an archival copy. Mission accomplished. You downloading a copy without paying for it is not you helping preservation.
sell me a bluray for a reasonable price or stop fucking encrypting them and i will buy your content :)
There’s few things that piss me off as much as self-righteous pirates. You want to say you’re doing this out of a moral stand? Boycott. Give specifics for what union terms would be good enough for you to deign to pay people for their work. Check with the actual people in the industry for if they would prefer you pay or pirate. For every dollar you’re not paying, donate it to a union.
Or just admit you’re pirating selfishly because you can get cool stuff for free and rely on other people to fund.
yet piracy is what made the music industry be reasonable…
And netflix is what killed piracy originally…
HMM…
Source?
And more importantly, did Netflix pay the creators a greater amount for the relatively little amount of money they were charging you? Was Netflix more moral because of their treatment of employees? Is that why it allegedly killed piracy?
What’s that? No? It was just convenient and cheap? I guess it is, once again, just about you not wanting to pay money for things other people make.
You should be focusing on the hedge funds and billionaire families. Not directing your REEing energy at me.
Great response, totally makes sense and justifies everything you said.