• NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de
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      Unicode in filenames? Are you crazy?!

      Okay that was /s to some extent but I gotta rant, I’m totally convinced that there’s still new software today that completely trip over themselves when files or paths have non-ASCII characters, or sometimes even a space. Incompetence didn’t go anywhere.

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        I still use underscores for filenames, basically muscle memory at this point

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          Spaces in file names will always be fiddly though. It’ll work, but it’ll still be wrong, because arguments are space separated, and having spaced file names totally messes with that.

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            I try to just always put files names or paths into quotes in CLI or tie it to a variable in programming. This way it also accepts spaces and knows how to separate it from arguments.

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              Yeah. It’s a good idea to guard against it, but I would still never put spaces in filesnames that I myself choose.

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        Unicode in filenames can be a bad idea, since there are more than one way to achieve what looks like the same character. So matching patterns could fail if you think it’s one way, but it’s actually another representation in unicode.

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        Incompetence didn’t go anywhere.

        Now that’s certainly true, but the beauty of open source software is that we can fix bugs when we encounter them.

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      Speaking of which, it blew my mind when I discovered that .EXEs are just zip files compressed archives. Same goes for .DLLs, and a lot of other common Windows file extensions as well. (.DOC too, for example IIRC). They all open in your favorite archiver software (I like NanaZip; which is a fork of 7-Zip with a modern UI).

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        I don’t think that’s true for .exe or .dll files, but it’s definitely true for .docx files and other Office files ending with x. Some .exe’s are self-extracting archives or have other files embedded in them, so maybe that’s what you’ve been seeing.

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          Why don’t you just try it and see for yourself?

          Remind me in about 5 hours and I’ll upload a screenshot as proof when I get home.

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              You could always download a random exe even in Linux, you know. But I’ll handle it. Commuting home now.

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                Well, I did get my hands on an exe file (some game on Steam) and opened it with Archive Manager. It does show some files, but the file properties say Type: application/x-ms-dos-executable (as opposed to application/zip). So it’s not an actual archive file, the archive manager is just displaying it as such to be helpful.

                The “files” I can see are:

                /.text
                /.reloc
                /.rsrc/version.txt
                /.rsrc/ICON/2.ico
                /.rsrc/ICON/3.ico
                /.rsrc/ICON/4.ico
                /.rsrc/GROUP_ICON/32512.ico

                I tried to create a zip file and rename it to .exe, but Archive Manager failed to open it at all which I found strange. You’d think it would look at the actual file contents to figure out what type of archive it is, and not rely on the extension.

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        Just because they open in 7-Zip or whatever doesn’t mean they are just a zip file. There are several kinds of archives. EXEs are a special case as well. They aren’t archives at all. Rather they can contain archives or extra content along with being an executable. One reason is self extracting archives. Here an archive is packaged with an extraction program as an exe all in one. The other case is exes that have extra resources like images, videos, graphics textures, etc. Either way it’s an executable plus some extra stuff, not a zip archive. DLLs I am not sure about, but I suspect something similar is happening here.

        Next time you should research stuff before posting it on Lemmy. Things are sometimes more complicated than they appear.

        docx you are correct about though. Specifically it’s a zip file that contains XML files and resources.

        Edit: I actually found an article on self extracting archives, it’s quite an interesting technology to be fair even if it causes confusion: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executable_compression

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          By “zip file”, I meant a compressed archive. I’m not as nerdy as you guys are so I see now that there is a difference. I appreciate the correction.

          That said, you have to admit that it’s still cool that these different file formats are nothing more than archives. Maybe not to you but it blew my mind when I first learned this.

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            Bruh an exe is not an archive. Some just happen to contain an archive, not all. As me and the other guy discovered some archive utilities can read them, but what they are doing is closer to a binary analysis tool than unpacking an actual archive. It’s not about being nerdy, it’s about getting your facts right.

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              Man, even when I try to be diplomatic I still get berated.

              Should have just said fuck you and called it a day. (kidding)

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                You’re still trying to weasel out of being wrong. It’s not an archive nor is it compressed. Go read what a Portable Executable is. It’s not about being diplomatic or whatever. Just admit you’re wrong and go and read about how it actually works. You might learn something.