Sometimes, you just need to wipe the drawing board clean and start over. 🤷👋 🔥

  • macniel@feddit.org
    313·
    3 months ago

    Whelp, it wouldn’t be the first mass extinction. Good Luck to the next civilization, hope you fare better than us.

  • kwomp2@sh.itjust.works
    141·
    3 months ago

    Don’t go down the “natural balance” kind of revenge fantasy. It only makes one comfy in passivist boundedness. Also the guy in the picture is far more likely do do just fine in a climate catastrophy than you. Gaia nature god lady won’t bring you any justice, at all.

    • Allonzee@lemmy.worldOP
      102·
      3 months ago

      It’s not about justice. It’s about homeostasis. The guy and possibly his kids will be fine in their luxury climate bunkers as the world grows more bleak and they bark orders remotely until there’s no one left alive or dumb enough to keep listening.

      The thing is though, what we’ve done and are doing right now will take millions of years to heal. Nothing to Earth’s 3.8 billion year old story of life, but effectively eternity to our monkey brains. I just don’t see our species putting down our shovel and living within our ecological means when that would mean necessary decline in our quality of life and intentional population control over time. We were warned for a century. We are feeling the effects. Scientists are noting new runaway effects conservative estimates didn’t account for. We need to stop 30 years ago, and we won’t even stop today.

      I don’t consider it justice, I consider it wholesale refusal as a species to live within our ecological means. We just keep digging, and the consequences, the physics, don’t care why.

      • kwomp2@sh.itjust.works
        1·
        3 months ago

        Of course your base argument - capitalist economy is ecolocically destructive and dysfunctional regarding the needs of the many.

        “Until there is noone left to fulfill their orders” thats the kind of “justice” i’m talking about. Like, Homoestasis will put them down in the end. Justice will be served. But that’s deceptive satisfaction.

        • Allonzee@lemmy.worldOP
          31·
          3 months ago

          Justice would be them dying and the many societies people like them destroyed for self-enrichment that lived in equilibrium with nature, like the Native Americans, thriving again.

          I agree with you. Justice isn’t on the table.

    • macniel@feddit.org
      61·
      3 months ago

      Gaia nature god lady won’t bring you any justice, at all.

      for we as a whole really deserve none.

      • kwomp2@sh.itjust.works
        2·
        3 months ago

        We don’t exist as a whole, wich is the political challenge I would like people to focus on.

        I think in post religious thinking it’s not about “deserve”

  • Victor@lemmy.world
    91·
    3 months ago

    Is there a name for the ideology that humans should be wiped from the planet for the benefit of the planet and the rest of the organisms on it?

      • Allonzee@lemmy.worldOP
        104·
        3 months ago

        Eco-fascism would be putting a gun against people’s head and telling them to stop destroying our only habitat.

        Acknowledging we’re destroying our only habitat isn’t eco-fascism, it’s just acceptance of the situation.

          • Allonzee@lemmy.worldOP
            55·
            3 months ago

            Humans aren’t saying that, our habitat is in response to our actions, as translated by scientist’s measurements.

            We can stop. We should stop. We won’t stop.

            If that means you want to call our planet an eco-terrorist, that’s actually kind of funny. This isn’t about humans killing humans. This is about Humans attacking our only habitat as we rely on it for every breath we take and every bite we take, and our habitat responding predictably to our actions.

            • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
              62·
              3 months ago

              Is there a name for the ideology that humans should be wiped from the planet for the benefit of the planet and the rest of the organisms on it?

              Pretty clearly asking for an ideology that states that humans should be exterminated.

              • Victor@lemmy.world
                2·
                3 months ago

                Yep, that is indeed exactly what I was asking. 👍 The ideology that humans should be exterminated.

          • catch22@startrek.website
            23·
            3 months ago

            But fascism’s primary aim isn’t to destroy humanity, it does because it’s idiotic, but it’s very much the top picture, growthgreed or die.

            Fascism is a philosophy that believes the strong should have and the weak can be used and discarded. Accepting were fucked I’d say is more nilism. Will fascists exploit the chaos from humanity idiocy, fuck yeah they will…

            • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
              42·
              3 months ago

              Fascism is a xenophobic and nationalistic alliance between the middle and upper classes against the lower classes. Eco-fascism takes that to extermination levels to preserve the middle and upper classes in the face of environmental destruction.

                • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
                  22·
                  3 months ago

                  We’re all fucked regardless. If you think the facists are going to survive planetary collapse, that’s some wishful thinking.

                  I don’t, I’m a Communist, not a fascist. I don’t know how you thought I was implying fascism was a good idea.

                  Ah, but I see from your post history you’re also an elitist fascist. Anyone not fully aware of dialectical.materialism is clearly subhuman and must be dealt with accordingly. Of course, all for the good of the “lower classes”

                  What on Earth are you talking about? Why would I think people who don’t study Marxism are “subhuman?” I have never once implied that.

                  E: oh I’m on .ml, I though I was shadowed banned all over the tankie wank fests. So, you all still gobbling hard on that xenophobic, transphobe, fascist, imperialist Putin’s cock?

                  Homophobia and putting words in others mouths, lovely.

      • Victor@lemmy.world
        1·
        3 months ago

        It seems tangential, perhaps? Like, accepting the fact that nature is going to kick our asses eventually anyway, is what you’re getting at? Let me know if that’s what you were thinking. 🙂

        • kwomp2@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          3 months ago

          Accepting it is a choice with practical consequences. We should work on understanding what is to change and how and focus on doing it.

          Making prophecies about what “Eventually” happens is self handicapping, wich does not help :)

      • Victor@lemmy.world
        2·
        3 months ago

        Misanthropy involves a negative evaluative attitude toward humanity that is based on humankind’s flaws. Misanthropes hold that these flaws characterize all or at least the greater majority of human beings. They claim that there is no easy way to rectify them short of a complete transformation of the dominant way of life.

        I thought this was quite interesting. I think I agree very much with

        there is no easy way to rectify them short of a complete transformation of the dominant way of life

        but not so much with

        these flaws characterize all or at least the greater majority of human beings

        I just think these flaws characterize all or the greater majority of human beings that possess a relative amount of power. That’s the real problem. Or perhaps the real problem is that power itself transforms humans and gives them these flaws. I’m not sure if it’s the chicken or the egg, kind of thing.