Forces had no direct confrontation with Hamas terrorists who killed hostages; ‘The IDF and security forces are doing everything possible to bring all hostages home as quickly as possible. This news shakes us all,’ says army spokesperson Hagari

Israeli forces discovered the bodies of six hostages in a 65-foot-deep tunnel in Rafah, approximately a kilometer from where hostage Farhan Alkadi was recently freed. The IDF had no precise intelligence on the hostages’ location in recent months but knew there were captives in the sector, leading to a gradual and cautious operation in Rafah since the ground offensive began.

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    1. No, Hamas, beliefs and actions are not irrelevant to the situation we are currently in. That is foolish.

    2. Describing terrorists committing a terrorist act as a “political” action is incredibly forgiving of the behavior of terrorists.

    3. An elected government invading and attacking a different country is an act of war, regardless of whether the nation they attacked is militarily superior. Hamas made a decision to go to war, and claiming they didn’t is factually wrong.

    4. I don’t personally feel any need to justify the behavior of any right wing religious fundamentalist organization against their hostages. The fact that we are in a situation where two organizations fitting that description are behaving badly and you have chosen a side says something about you that it doesn’t me.

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      Palestine is not a country. They’re basically part of Israel. Israel controls their money, imports, exports, travel into and out of it, they’re water spaces, air spaces, energy, trash, water, etc. It’s not a war if a military starts killing huge amounts of civilians, which so what’s happening here. It’s a genocide. It was terrorism to get hostages to extract concessions on Israel’s horrible policies towards Palestine, where they’ve been slowly eradicating people and taking territory for decades without any sign of help from the outside world in slowing their slow rolling ethnic cleansing.

      If you automatically believe the IDF after their long history of blatant lies, then you’ve take a side whether you believe yourself superior and neutral, or not.

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        Hamas is the elected government of Gaza. GAZA AND west Bank are officially recognized as “the state of Palestine.”

        We have to be factual here.

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          Israel supported Hamas’ rise to power, despite the objections of the Palestinians. Israel is responsible for the Hamas’ power over Gazans. It gives their ethnic cleansing plausible deniability.

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      Describing terrorists committing a terrorist act as a “political” action is incredibly forgiving of the behavior of terrorists.

      While this is all very entertaining, the very definition of terrorism is using terror to achieve political or ideological goals. Otherwise it’s just mass murder, genocide, or whatever.

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        So if the political goals of the Palestinian government are to kill as many Palestinians as possible, why are the anti-Israel protests not a joint protest of both Israel and Palestine?

        Why is the role of Hamas minimized?

        You may not know the answer or be willing to say it, but I certainly know the answer and am under no obligation to not say it.

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          I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. The actions of Hamas are terrible, and inevitable due to the equally reprehensible actions of Israel. That still has no bearing on the definition of the word terrorism.

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            No, the actions of Hamas were not inevitable. That is absolving them of moral culpability.

            But thank you for proving my point that this is not a pro-Palestine movement, but rather an anti-Israeli movement.

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                International law does not protect terrorism against civilians.

                Were you not aware of that?