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    It’s a common mistake among conservatives that they believe everyone is as self-centered and greedy as they are

    I’ve not become more conservative as I age because I’d kill myself before becoming that awful to people around me

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      Not knocking your worthy efforts, but the vast majority of people don’t turn conservative because of ideological reasons, they do it because they want to keep what they acquired over their lives.

      The people don’t become conservative any more because everyone younger than 40 pretty has pretty much gotten the economic middle finger across the board, so people turn radical instead. If I have nothing to lose I don’t feel protective of the status quo.

      But the greedy fucks in charge around the world are so removed from the reality of life they cannot see past their bank account, and would rather concede to fascism to keep things going for a bit longer, than making the needed changes. For the lost generations and the planet itself.

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        What exactly are older people afraid of losing? It’s not like even the farthest left politicians are in favor of doing anything more radical than raising taxes on people who are wealthier than the vast majority of boomers.

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        Being protective of your good fortune at the expense of others is itself part of an ideology, so I don’t see why you felt the need to contradict and condescend. A person who’s not a piece of shit would have no business being a conservative, no matter how privileged they are.

        Now go argue with someone else because I’m getting big reddit energy from you, and it’s making me anxious.

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            And I think you ought to keep your thoughts to yourself, if you have nothing worth contributing besides haughty arrogance and presumption.

            Besides, I did read their whole comment. That’s what I responded to.

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                That’s EXACTLY MY POINT. If someone agrees with you, then why lead with something as pretentious and haughty as “Not to knock your worthy efforst, but…”

                Why talk down to someone like that and adopt the tone of a pretentious debatelord when you ultimately agree with the other person?

                I encountered people like that all over reddit, so I recognize them – the type of people who think any conversation is a debate that you must “win.” It’s precisely because he does agree with me that I’m so miffed.

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                  They weren’t being pretentious or haughty. They amended one of your statements because it was a little inaccurate, then agreed that your wider point is correct. Because, yes, “wanting to hold on to what you have earned” is indeed an ideologically driven position

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              Let’s please keep this civil. I respectfully disagree, but I have no problem with you voicing your opinion. The issue is your assumption that the person who disagrees with you is a horrible individual, simply because they have a different opinion. I don’t even care who’s right at this point - we can debate an issue without insulting each other. And even if you’re enraged by it, hiding that fact and calmly countering their opinion with logic is far more effective at winning over an audience…

              Edit: Before any accusation of unfair treatment is made, I’d like to clarify that I disapprove of the original comment’s rhetoric as well - there was no good reason to insult conservatives (“greedy [expletive]”) like they did.

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                What the fuck are you even talking about? Conservatives should be systemically and socially deplatformed and disenfranchised.

                My issue with the person I was speaking to was the haughty arrogance they led with, presuming to argue with me about… what? Nothing they said contradicted what I was saying; yet, they come at me like a debatelord?

                And now you have the arrogance to lecture me on the correct take ™? Literally cis white male energy. stfu

                • ℛ𝒶𝓋ℯ𝓃@pawb.social
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                  There wasn’t any “haughty arrogance,” they were just adding on to what you said with their view, and (from my understanding) were attempting to be polite by clarifying how your point still stands. Not everything is an argument…

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                  I was trying to help explain why I think people aren’t exactly reacting positively to your critique (and I could be wrong, but to me it comes across as overly inflammatory). I’m very sorry if it came across as disrespectful.

                  And there is no “correct take”, it just seems, in my opinion, a bit counterproductive to be insulting. Sorry if it came across as “cis white” mansplaining…

                  Sincerely,

                  A queer, brown liberal NB furry.

                  (p.s. - I’ll overlook the misgendering and whitewashing since, in the heat of debate, I failed to introduce myself with pronouns. Although I am confused as to whatever my race has to do with it. And sorry if my language sounds “arrogant” or “too formal” - I’m autistic, this is literally how I talk…)

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          The only big reddit energy was this comment and the subsequent doubling down. The comment above was an even handed rebuttal, this response is tone policing and name calling.

          You may disagree with his rebuttal but this is not how you respond to adversity.

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            I don’t understand why they even went so off the rails. I just gave an addition to their statement which I prefaced with positive affirmation, to make sure the following text isn’t misinterpreted as ridiculing them in their effort.

            Granted I l maybe shouldn’t have cursed as much, but I didn’t even insult anyone specifically, not even republicans as some other people suggest. Just the political leadership that is complicit in suppressing the needed change to save our ecosystem and remedy the ridiculous inequality mankind has to endure.

            Apparently that’s enough to make them block me and then continue to rant about me in random comments.

            Guess im done with this conversation, it turned weirdly toxic for no fault of mine.

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            Wow, what a hot take. I’m so thankful you stepped in to defend the debatelord. What a great use of your time!

            Just a tip: If you have nothing constructive to add to a conversation, keep it to yourself. Have fun on my blocklist.

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            Next time, either be considerate and don’t lead with a debatelord’s tone, or don’t comment at all if you can’t resist being an argumentative prick

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              I understand that the last paragraph of their comment was unnecessary and inflammatory, but this (insults etc) is not the way to point that out…

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              How about I express myself as I see fit, and you compose yourself for the next time someone writes in a way that makes you feel “anxious” yet at the same time unable to control the urge to lecture them.

              Who are you to tell me how I should express myself?

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                When you treat people like shit and throw pointed words at them, I’m going to call you out for it. I don’t owe you an apology.

                But fair enough, I’ll block you. I had my fill of you neckbeards during my miserable tenure on reddit, and I never want to speak to you again.

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                  Whom did I treat like shit in your opinion? I have not addressed anyone except nameless politicians.

                  Maybe spend less time arguing with people you say you don’t want to argue with and more on improving your reading comprehension

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    Seeing youth orgs like TPUSA and YAF on college and high school campuses means that we might have to start playing at their own game and not just take kids becoming socialist as default.

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    “You need to have a sense of ownership and responsibility for your community.”

    “So you’re actually going to let me invest in the community and own things?”

    “What? No! Jesus, no. I want you to feel responsible for my stuff and work to preserve a status quo that will never serve you.”

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    Historically, people have become more conservative, not as they age, but as they become more financially secure, own their own home, and want to keep more of the fruits of their labour.

    That’s increasingly not happening, and we’re not happy about it.

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      and want to keep more of the fruits of their labour

      Most conservatives want to keep the fruits of other peoples labor.

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        Exactly. If you went to school for 16 years to become a neurosurgeon, I have no problem with your $500k salary. But a $1mil+ salary because you started a fast food chain where the employees make minimum wage? That’s slavery.

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      “Fruits of their labor”

      Well, fruits of exploitation of the global south that made your labor worth so much more than theirs.

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    Where do people live where they see this happening? Where I live, the young have moved significantly to the right compared to the older generation.

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    100 years ago a big part of the young generation was socialist too. Look how much changed.

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      This. We have to be weary that the owning class will put “leftists” in front of us to “vote for” and then this political energy will go to waste. Or they will draft us, or change the voting age, or get KOSA to pass. Idk. We gotta keep dodging the wrenches and throwing our hammers back at them.

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    What if they were socialists, would I become a conservative just to spite them? I am honestly not 100% certain. I very well may be just that shallow.