Engineers at MIT and in China are aiming to turn seawater into drinking water with a completely passive device that is inspired by the ocean, and powered by the sun.

In a paper appearing today in the journal Joule, the team outlines the design for a new solar desalination system that takes in saltwater and heats it with natural sunlight.

The researchers estimate that if the system is scaled up to the size of a small suitcase, it could produce about 4 to 6 liters of drinking water per hour and last several years before requiring replacement parts. At this scale and performance, the system could produce drinking water at a rate and price that is cheaper than tap water.

https://www.cell.com/joule/fulltext/S2542-4351(23)00360-4

  • curiousaur@reddthat.com
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    9 months ago

    All this stuff is like planning to colonize mars before we stop destroying earth. There is plenty of water if we just stop fucking pumping it all out and wasting it.

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    9 months ago

    The massic heat capacity of water is 4184 J⋅kg⁻¹⋅K⁻¹. To heat one 1 Liter (1 kg) of water from 30ºC to 100ºC it would take 4184×(100-30) = 2.929e5 J. We want 4 liters however, so we multiply that by 4 and get 2.929e5 J × 4 = 1,172e6 J To then turn that heated water into vapor it would require some more energy. The vaporization enthalpy of water is 4,066e4 J⋅mol⁻¹, and has a molar density of 1,80153e-2 kg⋅mol⁻¹(so 4 liters (4 kg) of water in moles would be 4 / 1,80153e-2 = 2,22033e2 mol), which means that to vaporize the four liters of water we would need 2,22033e2 × 4,066e4 = 9,028e6 J (I think I might have made a mistake here somewhere, because I don’t think it would only need 8 times more energy to completely vaporize the water, compared to the amount of energy required to heat it, but I can’t find the problem). So the total energy to heat and vaporize 30 ºC water would be 9,028e6 + 1,172e6 = 1.020e7 J

    Let’s take a 55x40x23 cm suitcase. And let’s assume a solar irradiance of 1000 W⋅m⁻² (which is what this site says is a normal solar irradiance to be expected on a clear day on the equator). Let’s assume three faces are exposed to the sun and all equally so (three faces receive 1000 W⋅m⁻² while the other three receive none, which would not happen since on a rectangular cuboid, like a suitcase, you can’t have all three faces facing directly towards the sun). The box would be receiving (0.55×0.40+0.40×0.23+0.55×0.23)×1000 = 438.5 W, which means that over one hour (3600 s), it would receive 438.5×(3600) = 1,5786e6 J, which is less than the required 1.020e7 J (by almost an order of magnitude), so it wouldn’t be possible to heat and vaporize 4 liters of water in an hour.

    What am I missing?

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      9 months ago

      You’re assuming that all heat energy input leaves with the water once it vaporises, which is unnecessary and indeed undesirable.

      If you use the incoming water to condense the output vapor, you can recover and reuse a lot of the heat energy, plus you get output water at a much more reasonable temperature.

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      9 months ago

      Nothing. These so called miracle bullshit devices shows up annually at random times to over promise under deliver so that media will talk about and gullible people lose their money on.

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    9 months ago

    ‘Cheaper’….desalination eats a lot of power. This is causing a huge problem over a minor inconvenience.

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      9 months ago

      Getting water to places that don’t have access to fresh water is not a minor inconvenience.

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        9 months ago

        consumers already have tap water for comparison hence the title of it suggesting to be cheaper. Not as altruistic. Agreed it could help someone who doesn’t have accesss. But I disagree that simply taking it as an option of the two because one seems cheaper is not actually cheaper so much as an impact that everyone should turn to it as a sole option that is not being considered here.

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      9 months ago

      The article explicitly states that it is directly powered by the sun.

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        9 months ago

        I’ve heard this one before and the systems never scale w/o subsidy and/or capture of the salts for industrial/rare earth use.

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        9 months ago

        And how does buying panels or power make it cheaper than filtering river water?

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        9 months ago

        Solar panels is an entirely other discussion about the issues they themselves bring especially with covering the earth with more black surface which is negating the point of what the ice was doing to cool the earth before it melted. Ocean water is black and solar panels are black. Albedo effect. You’re turning the earth into a cinder block.

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          9 months ago

          Surely you cannot pretend this is a real problem? This is nothing compared to the loss of Albedo caused by ice melting, and also nothing compared to the fossil fuels that would otherwise go to similar purposes.

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      If you read about this device you’ll find it’s solar powered. Solar powered desalinization boxes are nothing new, but this one doesn’t get clogged quickly like previous models have. If it scales up as well as they’re hoping this could really help a ton of people.

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        Solar panels also have an issue that come with it covering the earth with more black surface which is negating the point of what the ice was doing to cool the earth before it melted. Ocean water is black and solar panels are black. This is known as albedo effect.

        then you have the issue of helping people. Sure, helping people who have NO ACCESS TO WATER this should definitely be an option.

        But offering it to people whom already have tap water and access to water as a secondary ‘cheaper’ option is not so altruistic particularly if we don’t consider the impact as the aforementioned non reflective surface that is a much bigger impact on global warming. Hence that solar panels aren’t an all-source solution for the overall issues.

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          They’re not solar panels, they’re solar powered by a black sheet that heats up the box to get the water evaporating. Creating clean tap water also takes energy so unless the effect of the box’s lower albedo is greater than the environmental cost of cleaning and transporting water it’s still a net positive, especially in those parts of the world where fresh water is scarce.

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            Again, not arguing if it’s needed where water is scarce, So the topic is switching to a cheaper form for tap water and this is being sold as an idea to people who already have water.