Why do you care? Star Trek is fictional, but socialism is real and democratic, moving toward communism (like Star Trek).

I don’t know too much about Star Trek, but with that extreme post scarcity, what do you need a government for? The reason we communists support abolishing police is because you don’t need any coercion if everyone has whatever material thing they could want or need.

Star Trek has an economic system, it’s not run “on science.” Star Trek is functionally fully automated luxury communism. Under capitalism we have the technology to have no scarcity, but that’s not profitable, so capitalists create scarcity by destroying excess product and not giving it to those in need. In Star Trek they have a duplicator thing so no one is in need and no one can make a profit. It is a communist utopia. If you want to see a rational society that implements policy for scientifically planned good look at China. Their ultimate goal is communism, but today for now their achievements include lifting hundreds of millions out of poverty, heavily subsidizing green technology allowing it to be cheap and accessible, and lifting people’s living standards so that the life expectancy is higher the wealthy western countries.

Self evident to whom? We are ruled by ghouls who care more about profit than people’s lives. Shouldn’t it be “self-evident” to Biden that committing genocide is bad? Shouldn’t it be “self-evident” that corporations shouldn’t be getting away after poisoning millions of people? Shouldn’t it be “self evident” that if people work all day their wages should be enough to allow them to live decently?

These things may obviously be good, but it won’t be done until we have a system that puts people over profit.

Fake numbers about a US enemy from harvard? Shouldn’t we be hearing about the 10% who didn’t like the government being punished if there actually is coercion?

China is by no means perfect, but far more democratic than the US “beacon of democracy” ever was. There’s a reason over 90% are happy with their government. https://dessalines.github.io/essays/socialism_faq.html#is-china-a-democracy

They are also a good example of the practice of scientific socialism. They’ve extensively studied the Soviet Union as to avoid their mistakes. They also study the contradictions of their society to develop harmonically. I recommend Roland Boer’s Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: a Foreigner’s Guide.

Science has no goal. It cannot determine policy. It can tell you how certain policies may affect certain metrics, but it matters who decides what metrics matter ie. do we care if people have food, or if line go up.

I should mention many Utopian Socialists wanted scientists to rule society, but their dreams failed and were coopted. They didn’t understand the class character of the state.

Technocracy is stupid, and just serves tech elites. Thankfully, there is a scientific political system out there called Scientific Socialism. It ruthlessly criticizes the world to find the best way to advance the interests of the great masses of people. It analyses the movement of history and society to make it develope smoothly. It studies its own struggle to make it be more effectively. However, it is not against democracy, but rather in favor of a truer democracy of the working class. Liberal democracy is simply the ruling class making up differences and fighting each other for show. In China they have a far better democracy without such fighting, and instead have tons of dialogue and study.

No, socialism or extinction. We can salvage humanity if we have a radical enough change.

Locally I know like five brown mushrooms that look similar, but I think I know which one’s the psychedelic one and which is going to kill you. Maybe I’m naive, and I haven’t put it into action.

Again, you think China is investing hundreds of billions for show?

China has basically no human rights, they fucking paint grass green so they can pretend to reach their goals.

Largest afforestation in the world by far is “painting grass green” to you.

They have laws, forbidding to collect cooking oil out of trash cans and the sewers.

The horror, how could anyone live in a dystopia like that. Worst law ever.

They systematically disappear Uyghurs to off site facilities

It’s called peaceful terrorism prevention. They had a handful of terrorist attacks and Wahhabism had spread from China’s neighbors, so they educated and developed that area rather than shooting anything that moves. This approach has made lots of progress and the program is over.

And do you think as a Chinese citizen you would criticise the government in a servey if literally everything you do is monitored, everywhere you go in a city is filmed by cameras, every app in the app store has to be approved by the government?

That’s projection from the US and UK where it’s much worse.

and hides their “we have the highest build rate of coal plants” side

Their existing coal plants are far more efficient than those in the west, and they’re ceasing to make more.

Gonna need a source on your surveillance claims.

Again, if it sucks so bad why does the polling show it’s pretty livable?

Take a look at the comrade above’s comment if you haven’t.

I’d call half a trillion in a year a lot. Nonetheless I agree so much more needs to be done especially in a collaborative way, but isolated China’s holding their weight especially compared to the United States and Europe.

Lovely, here’s the source list from my project from last year:

https://www.mybib.com/b/1J6ko1 (too big to paste on here)

Yes, I used Xinhua, simply to learn about Xi’s youth.

Unfortunately, It’s a little outdated with the progress they’ve made in the last year. I didn’t cite them, but there’s also the “at what cost” meme articles saying China growing more forests and public transportation is a bad thing.

You may not believe it, but we know the Secretary of the Treasury does from her recent comments.

The fact is, their power demands are rising, so they invest in and build coal power plants as much as no other country.

Of course, that’s unfortunate. I’m critical of them and they could be doing better. However, have you considered why? It’s western factories that go to China and produce our goods. The West’s carbon footprint is effectively laundered through China. Also, speak for yourself. Genocide Joe over here keeps approving oil pipelines. Yet you set your malaise on China. They and the EU also keep increasing their military budgets sharply, and the US MIC has long been the greatest contributor) to the climate crisis.

I’m pretty sure it’s just for publicity

I love that your source here is nothing more than intuition.

So please remove this china-greenwashing post,

Lol, you’ve given me no reason to. While the West fails to meet it’s pitiful Paris Climate Accords goals, China has more ambitious goals and is already far ahead of them.

It’s just a horrible place

Again, no evidence, absurd reasoning. If China’s such a bad place why have they eliminated poverty and why are chinese living longer, healthier, and happier than USians? Why are at least 95% of Chinese happy with their government?

Edit: I somehow forgot to mention: how can China’s green energy be just for show when the US has recently bemoaned their overcapacity?

I’ve done a decent amount of research thank you very much. If you want I can put up my sources once I get the chance.

That’s the most pathetic lib gotcha I’ve seen in a while. The one child policy made sense at the time considering the low development they started with and the time it takes to build up and support a bigger population, but you know there were exemptions for minorities and it’s not a thing anymore. Second thing, idk what you’re talking about, but yes bad corporations do business in China. That doesn’t take away from the fact that the PRC is doing way more for the climate than the rest of us.

Tbf there is a resource extraction problem, but that is significantly higher in the “we just need to line Elon Musk’s pockets so more people have cyber trucks” approach than the “you can have a good EV for yourself if you want but we also have great public buses and trains running on renewables” approach.

Edit: the book that I mentioned criticizes both approaches and offers an interesting hemp based solution. I think it’s right and hopefully China more hops on that train. Anyway, I forgot your original comment mentioned it being “just as bad as oil” which is blanketly absurd.

Like the gun-owners aren’t mostly cowards too.

You’re serious, aren’t you?