Ahh yes. Makes perfect sense. God created everything, he even created the apple that he didn’t want Adam and Eve to eat, they ate it anyway, even though God knew that would happen, giving Adam and Eve free will, something that God knew would happen but didn’t want to have happen even though he didn’t have to create the universe in such a way that would allow this to happen. Anyway, a few thousand years go by and a bunch of humans high on some desert junk write a bunch of nonsense stories about the end of days, so God creates Adolf Hitler to kill all of the Jews, which are God’s favorite people and the ones that are the coolest yet most deserving of genocide apparently, so that the ones that Hitler didn’t kill could get their own made up country in the middle of the desert, so that God could press a button and open seals on a book or something that would unleash pure misery and despair unto the world so that he can take the REAL favorites (the Gentiles, not the Jews) to heaven while everyone else burns in pure agony for all eternity because that’s the normal flow of logic that an omnipotent and omnipresent deity would need to to follow in order to have a bit of fun.
And they wonder why people think fundamentalists are fucking insane.
Very reasonable POV.
This is rather hilarious!!!
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/4914598
Republicans could call all jews the k word but as long as they still support Israel, they’d be fine, and probably get aipac donations for it.
Life immatates art.
What’s the k word?
Its an antisemitic slur. Tried to find something on ADLs website but the information here is consistent with what I know about it.
Bike with a k instead of a b. I hadn’t heard or read that word in forever so it took me a minute to actually remember it.
Is that inconsistent?
It’s really weird, but Christians have this whole death cult thing going on and it requires Israel be around for revelations to happen.
This means that hitler and the resulting creation of Israel was literally part of God’s plan and this guy will support Israel still existing with religious fevor.
They’ve been trying to breed a perfectly red cow so they can sacrifice it, since that’s what Jesus needs to come back.
These are not rational people.
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He just hates Muslims more than he hates Jews
Sooo… just your bog-standard western Israel-fan, then?
Well, yeah. There needs to be a fantastic war in the Holy Land for the Rapture to happen, the final battle, Armageddon, stuff like that.
It helps to understand that a lot of these Zionist fundamentalists live in something of a death cult, they’re frothing excited for the end of the world so they can all go to heaven.
My wife is publishing a queer YA novel through Amazon and their family is questioning them about their salvation again. My wife and I were raised evangelical but left the church and later deconstructed. We hide that from their family. Their mother literally told them she’s having nightmares about not being able to spend eternity in heaven with them. My wife finally put together why their family is so worried about it all of a sudden. It’s 100% the Zion shit. They genuinely believe the end times are coming.
That’s the kind of shit religion does to people. They can’t just be proud of their child for their accomplishment…
This fucking guy is still alive?
If you think God created Israel (by any means necessary), I bet you would be pro-Israel. Doesn’t seem logically inconsistent
If I believed their god existed at all, I’d view him as a vastly worse version of how they describe Satan. Creating an entire universe full of thinking, feeling beings just to torture most of them is incomprehensibly evil.
Still if you believed in the Abrahamic God you would have no choice but to choose to follow him or be subject to his wrath as he would literally define what is good and evil and he wouldn’t have to follow his own rules because he can simply will it to apply to him. Omnipotence is annoying like that.
The pastor here is completely consistent in this statement. It is equivalent to the “God works in mysterious ways” thing they always say
I think we’re using different definitions of “believe”.
It’s consistent in its inconsistency. To take every single page of the Bible at face value is to be naive and unable to identify contradictory information.
Israel you have some strange bedfellows.
Not strange at all, really… birds of a feather and all that.
Why dont you explain what you are trying to insinuate or imply.
Insinuate?
No… white supremacists being perfectly supportive of white supremacist settler-colonialist projects is far too mundane to require insinuation.
Its still not clear to me what you are saying.
Are you surprised by the fact that Christian Zionists are white supremacists - and always have been?
I’m just asking you to explain what you meant by your original comment in plain language.
Are you a Christian Zionist?
Taking down the church with politics. Good job, Hagee.
He looks like Senator Armstrong from the Metal Gear Rising series…
religious people seem to know a lot about god
religious people seem to know a lot about god
Until you ask some difficult questions, then they’re all "mysterious ways "…
Why did god allow those children to be murdered/raped/tortured?
There must be a reason. Our minds can’t comprehend or interpret gods will. He works in mysterious ways.
Does that sound about right?
Zionism intentionally promotes antisemitism to encourage Jewish immigration and frighten their own population into supporting militarism, this isn’t surprising at all. The Zionist Federation of Germany literally collaborated with Hitler himself.
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The Zionist Federation of Germany literally collaborated with Hitler himself.
Reminds me of queer people who simp for Palestine, @queermunist:
Same-sex sexual activity is prohibited in Gaza under the British Mandate Criminal Code Ordinance 1936. The relevant provision carries a maximum penalty of ten years’ imprisonment.
https://www.humandignitytrust.org/country-profile/palestine/
In the State of Palestine, there is no specific, stand-alone civil rights legislation that protects LGBT people from discrimination or harassment. Some have reported that while hundreds of homosexual Palestinians are reported to have fled to Israel because of the hostility they face in Palestine, they are subject to house arrest, or deportation, by Israeli authorities on account of the in-applicability of the law of asylum to areas or nations in which Israel is in conflict. There have also been reports that Palestinian Authority police kept files on gay Palestinians and that Israeli intelligence blackmailed gay Palestinians into becoming informants. The Israeli LGBT organization The Aguda – Israel’s LGBT Task Force stated, in 2013, that around 2,000 Palestinian homosexuals live in Tel Aviv “at any one time.”
In February 2016, it was reported that one of the leading commanders of the armed wing of Palestinian militant group Hamas, Mahmoud Ishtiwi, was executed under the charges that he engaged in homosexual activity and theft. Scholar Timea Spitka stated that in Gaza, coming out is a “death sentence” because police don’t act against queerphobic violence, domestic violence isn’t pursued, and civil society organizations, which protect women and children, are reported to be “vulnerable to attack.” Spika added, in a related article, that this vulnerability has “been exploited by Israel,” noting a connection between the Israeli occupation, lack of security and protection for women and non-heterosexual people, and lack of rule of law. In 2019, Haaretz interviewed four gay men and one gay woman living in Gaza, who recounted their experiences: one man recounted his rough treatment by Hamas members, while others said they feared being arrested, outed, then forced into heterosexual marriage by their families. All four said that social media was a “game changer” in meeting other LGBTQ individuals, but some feared catfishing by undercover Hamas or Israeli intelligence agents.
In August 2019, the Palestinian Authority announced that LGBT groups were forbidden to meet in the West Bank on the grounds that they are “harmful to the higher values and ideals of Palestinian society”. This was in response to a planned conference in Nablus by Al-Qaws, a Palestinian LGBT group. Following backlash, the ban was later withdrawn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_State_of_Palestine#Civil_rights_and_government_actionAntisemitism was a thing long before Zionism, or even Nazism got rolling, you have causality backwards.
@DarkGamer There is a difference between promoting something and being the sole source of it. They used appropriate and clear language and you purposefully misunderstood them to make an asinine point.
There is a difference between promoting something and being the sole source of it.
Indeed, but I disagree with the premise.
It’s arguable that Israel’s existence reduces global antisemitism, not promotes it, by giving Jews a strong global ally and place to retreat to should the spectre of pogroms rise again. Nations worldwide can no longer commit genocides against Jews without significant geopolitical consequences, unlike in the past.
I believe Zionism is a result of global antisemitism, not a significant cause of it. Jews were persecuted worldwide, which caused Zionists to seek a homeland where they wouldn’t get regularly genocided. There’s only one group today whose hatred of Jews is fueled by Zionism, and frankly most non-Arabs don’t care much. Far more antisemitism existed in the past when there were no Zionists.
It can be both a result of, and cause of anti-semitism in different ways. Anti-semitism is not monolithic, it can have multiple vectors in both cause and effect. Both in viewpoint and application.
Considering the nationalistic streak the current Israeli government has, and their desire to “play the victim”, increased anti-semitism only increases their influence both in their local base and with the international community who would rally behind them in the face of anti-semitism (real or perceived).
I don’t know that there’s any grand conspiracy to foment that anti-semitism from Israeli leaders, but it wouldn’t surprise me if there was. It’s clearly not the threat it was in the past, as you say. So utilizing it as a tool is not the existential threat it would have posed decades or even centuries ago.
