Yeah America (specifically America) colonizing the country for 20 years and running it into the ground is definitely irrelevant here.
Imagine dunking on them when 90% of the shit in this article is problems America created themselves.
I don’t agree with them closing school for women and many other things, but the economic situation and starvation is 100% a result of American imperialism.
Yes, I am definitely sure it was all Amerikkka’s fault, Afghanistan definitely hasn’t always been a dirt poor country for the past 200 years and also definitely didn’t spent most of the 70s and all of the 80s and 90s locked in brutal civil wars, and definitely has a united national culture that made running a functional national government easy.
Also I love the part where we were colonizing Afghanistan and dictating their internal policies. God, it’s so great that we thought Islam was so amazing that we made it a crime to apostatize from it. Wait, or are we supposed to be the Christian Crusaders imposing our faith on Muslim countries? I can never keep all the things we’re accused of doing straight.
If you think the economic situation in Afghanistan is due to the US… well, that’s about the understanding of Afghanistan’s historical and present circumstances I expect from someone who treats international politics like a religion and says “Well, I don’t agree with the Taliban closing schools for women and ‘other things’, BUT… have you considered, America bad?”
You can keep turning in circles and do adhoms but the fact remains that America ruined Afghanistan the last 20 years. Before that it was the Russians.
The current Afghanistan has been independent for a very little time and has inherited tonnes of problems from America ruining the country. The sanctions and aid restrictions also don’t help this.
I’m not sure why you’d even begin to disagree with these facts but seeing as your entire comment doesn’t address then I can only guess.
In 2000 the Afghani was worth 75,000 to 1 USD. During ISAF occupation it was fixed at 50 to 1. It is now at 70 to 1 and dropping. Let’s stick to one argument at a time rather than playing the whataboutism game. You said the USA destroyed their economy, yet the evidence strongly says otherwise. Before 2001, Afghanistan was the second poorest country in the world. When ISAF pulled out it was ranked at about 40 (I say ‘about’ because it was still growing and changing faster and the rankings were uptated). In the short time of Taliban rule they have dropped back down to sub 33 with exact number still to be determined. (The sub 33 ranking is important because there are only 33 countries on the UN “least developed countries” list).
I would spend time debating topics like this with educated people and those that are open minded, but you do not seem like you fit either group. Do not expect a reply.
Sounds like his points are making you uncomfortable. It also sounds like you’d rather just eject from the conversation and pretend it never happened than accept that the world is a big, messy, complicated place and your hot takes are actually cold shit.
His point is that America boosted the economy by turning the place into a giant Opium farm and now a huge part of the Afghan population are crackheads.
Now the Taliban has outlawed the American drug cartels they don’t make money from it indeed. Not that they’re very profitable anymore since Chinese synthetic fentanyl has taken over the drug market.
the fact remains that America ruined Afghanistan the last 20 years. Before that it was the Russians.
There’s an inconsistency here. You cannot ruin what it already ruined. If the USSR ruined them, then the US kept it in that state, but did not cause the ruination itself. The only other possibility is that the USSR ruined them, then they recovered, then the US ruined them again.
Things were already bad before the US got involved. Infant mortality was extremely high. That rate actually went down during the US occupation. The world isn’t so simple that the US is to blame for every issue. I wish it were, because that would create a simple solution to every problem.
The sad fact is that some places are fucked up by no real fault of any nation, but by regional warlords and religious extremism. And it behooves us to look critically at these things so we can identify possible solutions.
The place was ruined up after the first war with Russia, then America turned the place into a giant opium farm which does generate revenue but also a whole lot of cartel problems. People here don’t seem to want to admit it but basically the entire Afghan economy under America ran on drugs https://www.usip.org/publications/2023/06/talibans-successful-opium-ban-bad-afghans-and-world
America also prevented the nation from developing by instating boy raping pedo warlords as police and giving them guns to terrorize the citizens with.
There was some aid from Unicef and stuff which isn’t bad, but all in all the reason the economy is in shambles now since America added almost nothing of real value to the country and prevented it from developing itself.
Fair enough then, but I think your viewpoint might be better described as “America kept them in ruin” instead of “America ruined them”. Semantics though, I’ll admit.
Seems to me that with western money drying up due to not wanting to give cash to the Taliban, things are going back to what they were before the US invasion.
Stealing 7 billion in assets isn’t “not wanting to give cash”. That’s their money.
Before the last war the Russians screwed up the country and they were dealing with the after effects of that war. Now the Americans are leaving the country in the same war torn state and somehow blame it all on the Taliban. What are you trying to say exactly?
The US is under no obligation to give an enemy money held by the Federal Reserve. Also, the Taliban shares no blame for that war torn state? They weren’t exactly paragons of good governance last time either. Maybe if they spent more time working on economic development instead of executing thieves and beating women for going to school I’d be marginally less critical of their regime.
I’m saying that the US naively tried and failed to nation build in Afghanistan. Trillions were spent on infrastructure and schools which was in hindsight a failure. Afghanistan was war torn before, during, and now after US occupation.
Colonialism is just the step beyond imperialism. America does imperialism all over the world but doesn’t colonize everything.
America setting up tonnes of military bases, killing the government and then replacing and dictating the entire governance with their own peons means that it colonized Afghanistan, it didn’t just influence it.
America setting up tonnes of military bases, killing the government and then replacing and dictating the entire governance with their own peons means that it colonized Afghanistan, it didn’t just influence it.
lmao
Imagine simping for the Taliban because international politics is a religion to you, and America is the Great Satan.
Yeah America (specifically America) colonizing the country for 20 years and running it into the ground is definitely irrelevant here.
Imagine dunking on them when 90% of the shit in this article is problems America created themselves.
I don’t agree with them closing school for women and many other things, but the economic situation and starvation is 100% a result of American imperialism.
Yes, I am definitely sure it was all Amerikkka’s fault, Afghanistan definitely hasn’t always been a dirt poor country for the past 200 years and also definitely didn’t spent most of the 70s and all of the 80s and 90s locked in brutal civil wars, and definitely has a united national culture that made running a functional national government easy.
Also I love the part where we were colonizing Afghanistan and dictating their internal policies. God, it’s so great that we thought Islam was so amazing that we made it a crime to apostatize from it. Wait, or are we supposed to be the Christian Crusaders imposing our faith on Muslim countries? I can never keep all the things we’re accused of doing straight.
If you think the economic situation in Afghanistan is due to the US… well, that’s about the understanding of Afghanistan’s historical and present circumstances I expect from someone who treats international politics like a religion and says “Well, I don’t agree with the Taliban closing schools for women and ‘other things’, BUT… have you considered, America bad?”
You can keep turning in circles and do adhoms but the fact remains that America ruined Afghanistan the last 20 years. Before that it was the Russians.
The current Afghanistan has been independent for a very little time and has inherited tonnes of problems from America ruining the country. The sanctions and aid restrictions also don’t help this.
I’m not sure why you’d even begin to disagree with these facts but seeing as your entire comment doesn’t address then I can only guess.
In 2000 the Afghani was worth 75,000 to 1 USD. During ISAF occupation it was fixed at 50 to 1. It is now at 70 to 1 and dropping. Let’s stick to one argument at a time rather than playing the whataboutism game. You said the USA destroyed their economy, yet the evidence strongly says otherwise. Before 2001, Afghanistan was the second poorest country in the world. When ISAF pulled out it was ranked at about 40 (I say ‘about’ because it was still growing and changing faster and the rankings were uptated). In the short time of Taliban rule they have dropped back down to sub 33 with exact number still to be determined. (The sub 33 ranking is important because there are only 33 countries on the UN “least developed countries” list).
I would spend time debating topics like this with educated people and those that are open minded, but you do not seem like you fit either group. Do not expect a reply.
Please don’t reply anymore.
Sounds like his points are making you uncomfortable. It also sounds like you’d rather just eject from the conversation and pretend it never happened than accept that the world is a big, messy, complicated place and your hot takes are actually cold shit.
His point is that America boosted the economy by turning the place into a giant Opium farm and now a huge part of the Afghan population are crackheads.
Now the Taliban has outlawed the American drug cartels they don’t make money from it indeed. Not that they’re very profitable anymore since Chinese synthetic fentanyl has taken over the drug market.
There’s an inconsistency here. You cannot ruin what it already ruined. If the USSR ruined them, then the US kept it in that state, but did not cause the ruination itself. The only other possibility is that the USSR ruined them, then they recovered, then the US ruined them again.
Things were already bad before the US got involved. Infant mortality was extremely high. That rate actually went down during the US occupation. The world isn’t so simple that the US is to blame for every issue. I wish it were, because that would create a simple solution to every problem.
The sad fact is that some places are fucked up by no real fault of any nation, but by regional warlords and religious extremism. And it behooves us to look critically at these things so we can identify possible solutions.
The place was ruined up after the first war with Russia, then America turned the place into a giant opium farm which does generate revenue but also a whole lot of cartel problems. People here don’t seem to want to admit it but basically the entire Afghan economy under America ran on drugs https://www.usip.org/publications/2023/06/talibans-successful-opium-ban-bad-afghans-and-world
America also prevented the nation from developing by instating boy raping pedo warlords as police and giving them guns to terrorize the citizens with.
There was some aid from Unicef and stuff which isn’t bad, but all in all the reason the economy is in shambles now since America added almost nothing of real value to the country and prevented it from developing itself.
Fair enough then, but I think your viewpoint might be better described as “America kept them in ruin” instead of “America ruined them”. Semantics though, I’ll admit.
Seems to me that with western money drying up due to not wanting to give cash to the Taliban, things are going back to what they were before the US invasion.
Stealing 7 billion in assets isn’t “not wanting to give cash”. That’s their money.
Before the last war the Russians screwed up the country and they were dealing with the after effects of that war. Now the Americans are leaving the country in the same war torn state and somehow blame it all on the Taliban. What are you trying to say exactly?
The US is under no obligation to give an enemy money held by the Federal Reserve. Also, the Taliban shares no blame for that war torn state? They weren’t exactly paragons of good governance last time either. Maybe if they spent more time working on economic development instead of executing thieves and beating women for going to school I’d be marginally less critical of their regime.
I’m saying that the US naively tried and failed to nation build in Afghanistan. Trillions were spent on infrastructure and schools which was in hindsight a failure. Afghanistan was war torn before, during, and now after US occupation.
You use the words ‘colonialism’ and ‘imperialism’ but don’t seem to know what they mean.
Colonialism is just the step beyond imperialism. America does imperialism all over the world but doesn’t colonize everything.
America setting up tonnes of military bases, killing the government and then replacing and dictating the entire governance with their own peons means that it colonized Afghanistan, it didn’t just influence it.
lmao