yea no shit hamas even admited to rape

  • Candelestine@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Yeah, I think most people have figured out that its terrorists fighting terrorists with normal Gazans and Israelis stuck in the middle. The trick is what to do about it, how to approach the problem. That’s where everyone disagrees and fights.

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      And if people would stop downplaying their favored side’s crimes, that’d reduce the fighting.

      Livestreaming mutilations, kidnapping toddlers while murdering their parents, leaving behind corpses with no underwear and unrecognizable smashed faces, and parading naked corpses through cheering crowds shouldn’t be described as “resistance” or “fighting the oppressors”.

      Indiscriminate shelling of civilians under evacuation and trying to erase an entire state shouldn’t be described as “defense” or “securing the borders”.

      If people could just fucking accept that even if they think side X is in the (most) right, side X can still be horribly evil and doing it wrong. And if they (rightly) point out that one particular side is being evil as all hell, it doesn’t mean the other side are a force of good just a bit misunderstood and under pressure poor them.

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        6 months ago

        IDF has done worse than mere indiscriminate shelling and going for a landgrab, for the record. People just try to brush it off as “a few bad individuals” just like they do with our cops here in the US.

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      6 months ago

      I agree 100%. Netanyahu’s faction and Hamas deserve each other

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    I’m not going to deny that atrocities have been committed but when one paragraph says:

    “the atrocities the militants committed have been well documented.”

    And the next says:

    “The chaos meant there were significant failings in preserving evidence”

    I’m going to be skeptical of your conclusions.

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Footage of the lifeless corpse of Shani Louk, a 22-year-old Israeli-German national, paraded around the streets of Gaza was some of the first to surface on 7 October, as the scale of the horror visited on sleeping families in kibbutzim neighbouring the strip and people partying at a nearby rave started to become clear.

    By cross-referencing testimonies given to police, published interviews with witnesses, and photo and video footage taken by survivors and first responders, the Guardian is aware of at least six sexual assaults for which multiple corroborating pieces of evidence exist.

    In the immediate aftermath of the attack, overwhelmed by the sheer number of victims, and the burned or disfigured state of some of the bodies, morgues were preoccupied with identification and did not have the time or capacity to test for sexual assault using rape kits, said the police spokesperson Mirit Ben Mayor.

    At the Shura military base in central Israel, where most of the dead were taken, the reservist Shari Mendes, who was tasked with washing the female bodies and preparing them for burial, told reporters: “We have seen women who have been raped, from the age of children through to the elderly.

    Renana Eitan, the head of psychiatry at the Ichilov Tel Aviv medical centre, previously told the Guardian that of the 14 freed hostages still under her care – including children – several had been subjected to or witnessed sexual abuse.

    Israeli intelligence officials, experts and sources with direct knowledge of interrogation reports of captured Hamas fighters believe units that attacked were beforehand given a text that drew on a controversial and contested interpretation of traditional Islamic military jurisprudence, claiming that captives were “the spoils of war”.


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