Liberal in the traditional sense, as in, believing in liberty, I’m being technical. Not meaning “leftist” the way the word has been rebranded by right-leaners. So, their adoption of “no rules” is ultra-liberal, or libertarian perhaps.

And all social consequences are social. Drawing a distinction between legal and social is arbitrary. Suffering is suffering, and employing it to control dissenting voices is fundamentally illiberal. If you can prevent certain messages from appearing on your platform, you have successfully executed a form of control.

Thus, their ultra-liberty is an illusion. It’s not real.

Sure. Go over into 4chan and try any behavior they would describe as “white knighting” or “simping”. You will rapidly experience some social consequences intended to dissuade that behavior.

So, I’m not a woman, nor am I overly feminine, and I still call out toxic bullshit when I see it. If you want to say the problem is women/feminists though, fine whatever, if we cleaned up our own shit first, we might be able to make that stick. But when we’re bastards and they’re bitches, and we complain, we’re kinda the fucked up ones, y’know? Since we were supposed to be strong in the first place.

Unless you just think life is shit and everyone should get used to it. Then, just move to Russia or something, for everyone’s sake.

So, spaces that encourage toxic masculinity do exist, and they are fully aware of their ruination. See: 4chan.org.

edit: I see some of the confusion here, since 4chan is seemingly liberal, due to having no formal rules. However, that is an illusion. A man is not actually free to say anything they like without consequences there. It’s just that the norms will be enforced by the community, instead of any kind of authority. This is not actual liberty and freedom, simply indoctrination cloaked in an illusion of freedom.

Real freedom would allow a man to express something like sympathy, or being against gamergate, and express that opinion in peace. The reality of such spaces does not actually permit this.

It seems liberal and free, but in effect it is not. This is similar to how Trump seems to be strong sometimes, but in reality is weak and cowardly. Toxic masculinity loves its illusions.

Liberal, as in, believing in liberty. Freedom. How many mens spaces do you know of, where a man is completely free to open up, with full liberty and freedom from immediate consequences, about feelings they may have inside of them?

There’s actually not a lot. It’s a reflection of masculine indoctrination, where men in many places are made to feel like they almost need to be ready to become a soldier at any moment. Guarded, careful. It’s no good, unless your country is actually at war.

Fair enough. I would argue there is no shortage of anger whatsoever in America, and instead a much larger burnout problem. Anger cannot cure burnout, only exacerbate it.

If we weren’t already angry, I’d be fully with you.

It’s not about how things “sound”, that’s conservative, image-based thinking. We should be more focused on substance over style, sustainability, and countering the efforts of our overseas rivals in attempting to paralyze us with divisive instability.

The far right cannot do that, their entire ideology is based on utilizing fear and control. We can use a diverse array of approaches, this is an asset.

Sounds like a job for Kyle Hill:

https://youtu.be/-4Oso9-9KTQ

No. Anger has a finite usefulness, as the far right has begun to notice. It cannot simply scale up infinitely, that’s fucking stupid, eventually it burns people out and they fall into political apathy.

We have other tools as well, we should remember them.

Do not simply try to use every tool of your enemy just like they do. That’s seriously dumb as fuck, when they are clearly making a mistake of going for short-term gains at the expense of long-term success.

Hope, decency, honesty, humor, patience, etc can all balance anger and fear in a way that provides more sustainable benefits.

We are not orcs. We do not need to rely on anger and fear.

Problem with espionage assets is they’re hard to catch. I think they’re popping out of the woodwork now because Russia is leveraging them too hard as an asset, out of blatant desperation. Once high ranking ones are detected and removed, they’re time consuming to replace.

Over the short scales of a single war, they’re a finite asset. Just like missiles. Can’t be replenished in the quantities that you’d really like to have.

Having lived my whole life in the Information Age, I am 100% in support of this.

Problem with the digital world is it’s all fake, it’s all bullshit. It’s only anything at all because we’re here. But like everything, it comes with a cost.

During the brain formation years, the brain should get opportunity to form both with and without it, so the maximum number of possible capabilities are preserved for future access.

What was that? Mr. Rajat Khare of India claims to be a cybersecurity expert but has actually gotten filthy rich by doing hacks for hire all over the globe, for various shady clients, and has now hired an elite Washington law firm to have reporting of it stricken from the internet?

You’re saying, Mr. Rajat Khare is a lying, greedy unethical businessman that will weaponize the law to silence his critics?

Mr. Rajat Khare, who doesn’t want his name associated with any of this on the open internet…?

Good to know, thanks.

IDF has done worse than mere indiscriminate shelling and going for a landgrab, for the record. People just try to brush it off as “a few bad individuals” just like they do with our cops here in the US.

Article needs some charts and graphs. Ross Perot had a good approach to economic messaging, strong enough to peel support away from the repubs. He just got on tv and basically gave a business presentation. With lots of charts and graphs. Not too different from the youtuber perun’s video style.

Fox News already takes this approach, and abuses it of course. But it’s one of the drivers of their success imo. Data visualizations have a different appeal from narrative-based presentations, certain kinds of learners tend to just naturally prefer them for whatever reason.

Yeah, I think most people have figured out that its terrorists fighting terrorists with normal Gazans and Israelis stuck in the middle. The trick is what to do about it, how to approach the problem. That’s where everyone disagrees and fights.

I think getting money out of politics will be a necessary first step towards addressing this.

Somewhere in between. The canning process does alter the ingredients, but not by a whole hell of a lot compared to something like, say, cooking them.

So, they still can have good nutrition. The bigger thing to worry about are things like extra salt and sugar added, which can add up with other things in your diet to reach an unhealthy amount.

All that said, frozen is usually better these days, pretty much across-the-board.

When working properly, everyone equally. I will admit we do not nearly reach that standard, though.

Photos of a person can vary in subtle ways too, perhaps as a person ages or even just changes their makeup or something. It’s not valid to require everything to be perfectly clear-cut in some objective way.

Life is subjective, which is why courts always try to take the mental state of the accused into account, things like whether malice was present, whether the accused was in a rational state of mind, etc. This is why we have first and second degree murder as two different things.

I mean, they do usually effect the people that break them and go to prison too.