I am also in the U.S. and I do treat my dogs as family and I do not crate them. However, the person you are replying to does not treat their dog as family. They think they do, but they don’t. They told a story on another thread on this governor about their own dog (which I initially misread) which included this part:
I thought about having the vet put him to “sleep” but I didn’t like that either. He didn’t deserve to be injected with strange drugs in a strange place by strangers. I chose to take him home, give him a rather large dose of xanax and smother him with my hand while telling him what an amazing boy he was.
I’ve certainly never needed or wanted to crate a dog, my dogs sleep in bed with me every night. Some dogs are destructively anxious when alone and need it unfortunately. I only know one person who does crate their dog (their dog is like I described above), and they hate that they need to. It’s not as common as you think in my experience at least.
I’ll admit I wasn’t aware that was an American-only thing though.
My dogs have always been crate trained. Its not like they are in there all day. They ride in a crate in the car for their safety. They can go lay in it whenever they want. Some do, some don’t.
Really? FYI, a dogs crate is where they feel safest when their humans are gone. It’s one thing if you crate them 24/7 but otherwise, no, it’s not a bad thing. Do some research before you jump into this debate choom, or you’re gonna get demolished.
Edit: and, for the record, my dogs both sleep with me. Only crated when me or my partner are both not home
I would imagine that if you’ve never heard of anybody doing that where you live, it’s a culture thing. Certain places have different practices on how they handle dogs. I want to stress though, much of the US doesn’t just do it because it’s simple and easy without any regard to the animal (at least not any good dog owners). To you, it may look like a prison, but to a dog properly crate trained, it’s more like a safe and comfy bed they can relax in. The positive effects crating can have on a dog is heavily backed by science, and I’d recommend looking into it, it’s actually kinda fascinating.
Of course, that all assumes it’s being done properly. Crates are a tool, and like any tool, they can be misused and abused. So it’s not always where they feel safest, it all depends on how you train them and certain issues a dog might have (claustrophobia, heavy anxiety, etc.). Generally, from what I understand, you never want to associate the crate with negative emotions or consequences (i.e. don’t send your dog to the crate as punishment). It’s supposed to be a safe place, not a jail cell.
yes, it’s true, tons of books say it’s ok. my folks raised dogs, i’ve had a number of dogs myself. never crated them. until dogs can be interviewed, im team “lets don’t lock them up for hours all alone.” just because humans write books saying this and that doesn’t make it true. dr spock wrote books saying it was bad to hold babies when they cried. it’s not. science used to be near uninamous that animals and insects didn’t have emotions. then it was “emotions like we do.” now…it’s turning out they do. research isn’t the be-all and end-all.
This shows you have a fundamental ignorance of this subject matter. It’s not American practice, for starters, and it’s certainly not cruel if you’re doing it right.
Our dogs are our family, choom. Don’t mix it up like that, our country is already full of shitty things, but not that. This story is about a piece of human garbage who never should have gotten a puppy to begin with, but that’s not ALL of us.
No, don’t use your emotions, I simply stated a fact. In the u.s if I kill your dog, I am liable for property damages. That’s all the law sees your dogs as, that’s all police see your dogs as.
Is that even a thing? In the u.s they treat dogs as property
I live in the US. I treat my dogs as family.
Sadly your laws do not. They’re property according to law
Do you “crate” them when you are away from home or sleeping? That American practice has always horrified me.
I am also in the U.S. and I do treat my dogs as family and I do not crate them. However, the person you are replying to does not treat their dog as family. They think they do, but they don’t. They told a story on another thread on this governor about their own dog (which I initially misread) which included this part:
https://lemmy.world/comment/9683664
That doesn’t sound like treating them as family to me.
Edit: Forgot the “not” up there. Kind of important.
same.
I’ve certainly never needed or wanted to crate a dog, my dogs sleep in bed with me every night. Some dogs are destructively anxious when alone and need it unfortunately. I only know one person who does crate their dog (their dog is like I described above), and they hate that they need to. It’s not as common as you think in my experience at least.
I’ll admit I wasn’t aware that was an American-only thing though.
Its actually illegal to do so in Sweden.
I personally don’t, but some dogs love it. It’s their safe space.
My dogs have always been crate trained. Its not like they are in there all day. They ride in a crate in the car for their safety. They can go lay in it whenever they want. Some do, some don’t.
Really? FYI, a dogs crate is where they feel safest when their humans are gone. It’s one thing if you crate them 24/7 but otherwise, no, it’s not a bad thing. Do some research before you jump into this debate choom, or you’re gonna get demolished.
Edit: and, for the record, my dogs both sleep with me. Only crated when me or my partner are both not home
Why would a dog feel safe being locked into a cage compared to being free to roam the house and find a comfy spot?
Literally never heard of anyone doing that here, it would even be illegal.
I would imagine that if you’ve never heard of anybody doing that where you live, it’s a culture thing. Certain places have different practices on how they handle dogs. I want to stress though, much of the US doesn’t just do it because it’s simple and easy without any regard to the animal (at least not any good dog owners). To you, it may look like a prison, but to a dog properly crate trained, it’s more like a safe and comfy bed they can relax in. The positive effects crating can have on a dog is heavily backed by science, and I’d recommend looking into it, it’s actually kinda fascinating.
Of course, that all assumes it’s being done properly. Crates are a tool, and like any tool, they can be misused and abused. So it’s not always where they feel safest, it all depends on how you train them and certain issues a dog might have (claustrophobia, heavy anxiety, etc.). Generally, from what I understand, you never want to associate the crate with negative emotions or consequences (i.e. don’t send your dog to the crate as punishment). It’s supposed to be a safe place, not a jail cell.
yes, it’s true, tons of books say it’s ok. my folks raised dogs, i’ve had a number of dogs myself. never crated them. until dogs can be interviewed, im team “lets don’t lock them up for hours all alone.” just because humans write books saying this and that doesn’t make it true. dr spock wrote books saying it was bad to hold babies when they cried. it’s not. science used to be near uninamous that animals and insects didn’t have emotions. then it was “emotions like we do.” now…it’s turning out they do. research isn’t the be-all and end-all.
This shows you have a fundamental ignorance of this subject matter. It’s not American practice, for starters, and it’s certainly not cruel if you’re doing it right.
Well they treat people like the property of corporations and the ruling class, so at least they’re consistent.
I think I understand what you’re saying here. Legally speaking, dogs are property here.
This said, obviously most Americans do not treat their dogs as such.
Our dogs are our family, choom. Don’t mix it up like that, our country is already full of shitty things, but not that. This story is about a piece of human garbage who never should have gotten a puppy to begin with, but that’s not ALL of us.
No, don’t use your emotions, I simply stated a fact. In the u.s if I kill your dog, I am liable for property damages. That’s all the law sees your dogs as, that’s all police see your dogs as.
Ok, annnnd…?