• endhits@lemmy.world
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      8 months ago

      “In my household, the only addictive spyware we use is made in the USA!!!”

      Edit: everyone below me is proving my point exactly.

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          I doubt it, parents will just move them to YouTube, Instagram, or some other platform. The TikTok ban is intended to limit misinformation by the CCP, and that doesn’t really matter for this age of kids.

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              The more important thing to me is building habits. I care less about how much they’re watching vs how they’re spending their time generally.

              We have a rule where our kids need to read to be able to watch/play games, and we cap at 2hr/day. If they read 1hr, they can watch/play for 30min. My kids seem to have a pretty good mix of reading, watching/playing, and playing outside w/ friends, so I think it works.

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                Yea. We do something similar. It’s an electronic allowance. If you use it it’s done for the day. I change it for rainy days and vacations if we are traveling in the car or whatever. But it’s easy to set up with Google family. And then you can see what they are doing. Not to be snoopy. Just to teach them the right way to protect themselves online. I don’t want them to turn 18 and be completely lost.

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                  I give my kids 30 min “free” on Saturdays, which gets doubled if they spend it in a game with a sibling. For trips, I make my kids all do the same thing, so either watch the same show, listen to the same audiobook, etc.

                  I personally don’t digitally track what my kids do at all, I instead rely on trust and keeping devices in a public space. I tell them what’s acceptable, and occasionally hang out with them while they’re doing whatever. As they follow the rules, I give them more autonomy (e.g. my oldest may get their own PC soon-ish), but if they break the rules, they lose access. The only parental controls I use is for my 4yo, because she keeps getting into my Steam Deck and Switch w/o asking, but my other kids know the passcode on the Switch (not my Steam Deck, that’s mine).

                  It’s a bit bumpy, but I’m hopeful that having rules but no actual walls teaches them to learn to self-regulate and will help them in the long-run. It worked for me as a kid.

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        Wait, is there another psyops software the CCP has deployed in the US?

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          Probably plenty. Tik tok is just the biggest owned by a foreign government that also is showing pretty immediate extreme negative effects on children’s attention spans and learning capabilities.

          But people are still gonna whine because they’re 25 year olds who need to watch 80 videos of unboxing shoes in 4 minutes . That’s really the only pro tik tok argument there is.

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            It sets a pretty chilling precedent that non-American competition can be forced to sell to Americans for (insert arbitrary reason here).

            I am in favor of TikTok at least becoming restricted to adults only if not outright banned, just warning about the consequences of doing it this way.

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              It’s owned by the CCP who is currently trying to undermine our election. It tried to do it in Taiwan where I currently live.

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                It’s owned by the CCP who is currently trying to undermine our election

                Not that this may not be true, but the USA undermines it’s own foundation of democracy

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                  While the US government is not perfect, it still is OUR own government. The CCP is a literal adversary.

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                    So it’s ok when Republicans undermine democracy… As long as they are not Chinese, got it

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            I’m guessing you’ve never been on TikTok. It’s a pretty good news source and information disseminator. Your algorithm feeds you what you pick so if you linger on posts from physical therapists and psychologists about child development, that’s what you learn about. If you linger on political posts highlighting our local and federal government’s corruption, you get that.

            I’m all for banning it (and all social media) for children, but if you think TikTok is all trash TV, you’ve been successfully propagandized.

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      I use TikTok routinely. I actually spend time on Chinese parts of TikTok, because I know a little Chinese. I’ve seen content that the CCP would be very much opposed to - including discussions of the Tank Man from Tiananmen Square and homosexuality in Chinese history.

      TikTok has censorship certainly, but it’s more targeted towards the Gaza conflict.

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        I use TikTok routinely.

        Your experience is different from other experience. That’s the main issue. They are and can target specific people in specific groups and in specific regions. You seeing this content just means you’re not important enough for them to target.

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          As can/do Facebook and every other social media platform. But I find it hard to take this idea that TikTok is an arm of the CCP seriously when I routinely discuss Ughyur Muslims and Tiananmen square with folks, and see depictions of Chairman Mao as Pooh Bear.

          The more shady shit is the shop and how every third video is an unlabeled ad. TikTok wants to make money first and foremost. I don’t think TikTok is some force for good in the world, but what they are doing is no different from what Meta and Google are doing.

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            Tiktok has one of the worse/non existent monetization programs. Its clearly not important to them how bad it is.

            My extended family in Taiwan would routinely see fake news on Tiktok during the Taiwan elections.

            That’s the thing. You don’t know. Nobody knows except the CCP. That’s the problem.

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        It’s not in American businesses best interest overthrow a government. Can’t say the same for the CCP tho. Fuck the CCP.