• Vikthor@lemmy.world
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      5 months ago

      Less than how many would die by the rampaging horde if Ukraine gave up. Judging by what happend in Bucha, Irpin, Mariupol or elsewhere.

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        5 months ago

        That was during the war.

        Playing rocket tag with the Russians for another three years will create more Mariupols.

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            5 months ago

            We could have done that but decided to give Ukraine second hand garbage to fight with.

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              5 months ago

              Oh so is this where you’re going to tell us about the mind control Ray or something? How are we ever going to make Russia give up? Presumably if we have that power we should just do it now.

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                When it came to israel we managed to pull a gazillion weapons out of thin air. And created special teams to rush weapons shipments to a country committing Genocide instead of one being invaded.

                Or bypassing congress, doing secret arms sales, any of the plethora of ways that we use to support israel committing Genocide could have been used to help Ukraine win.

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                  5 months ago

                  Gotcha.

                  I guess a difference there is that Israel was paying money. So that has been urgent partly so some people could make a shitton of money.

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                    5 months ago

                    Israel was loaning money which Genocide Joe made sure to refund them in full afterwards.

                    Now that Biden gifted israel $26Billion the entire “israel is paying for it” argument doesn’t hold up much

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          5 months ago

          “Just give in and marry the rapist that’s breaking into your house “

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            5 months ago

            We get the “Russia will go bankrupt any minute now” line from the NAFO heads every six months.

            It’s the same bullshit we got fed during Iraq and Afghanistan and Vietnam and Korea.

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              5 months ago

              Yes, but there USA were fighting the locals. Here it’s moskals who is fighting the locals.

              And funny you bring up Afghanistan, USSR went down also because of invading it.

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                Here it’s moskals who is fighting the locals.

                One reason Russia took over Crimea so easily was due to the high Russian-national identifying residents. Same with South Ossetia and Abkhazia. East Ukraine had an enormous Russia-aligned population, which drove the split that provoked the 2014 civil war and ended in the invasion.

                And funny you bring up Afghanistan, USSR went down also because of invading it.

                The USSR went down to perestroika. Gorbachev’s reform and opening of markets invited record rates of corruption and graft, leading to the oligarchs that installed Yeltsin and Putin a decade later. The Russian military was just about the only institution that survived the hollowing out of the national economy and the dissolution of the old republican system of governance.