• linearchaos@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago
    1. Looks like I need to move to the UK

    2. So what this is saying is that women are going to save our collective asses.

  • spaphy@lemmy.ml
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    9 months ago

    If I am reading this correctly, men drifting towards conservative and women drifting towards liberal?

    That would reflect the culture found in apps - I feel like men with andrew tate and things like truth social/rumble/kick and women drift more towards stuff like reddit/tiktok/instagram where you can usually see a lot more liberal idealogy.

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    9 months ago

    shcoking, women arent a fan en masse of being ‘tradwifes’ to tate blowhards

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    9 months ago

    That’s not an ideology gap, that’s feminism vs machism, by the look of it.

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      9 months ago

      Got any reading you’d recommend? All I’m finding is some links to Ernst Mach, but they aren’t very helpful in their definition of “Machism.” Is it related to machismo in any way?

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        I quickly translated the French word. It’s how some people can hate women and believe they’re inferior or crazy or whatever.

        What I’m saying in my comment is that the graphs seem much more about feminism vs the opposite than it is about conservatism vs whatever else. Now there is a link between thee two. But saying it’s conservative vs progress is abusive imo and missing the problem.

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    9 months ago

    Maybe the fact that conservative governments erode the rights of women?

    I think that’s probably the biggest driver the last 10 years.

    A FUCKTONNE of women I know became a hell of a lot less conservative when Roe Vs Wade was overturned.

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      A FUCKTONNE of women I know became a hell of a lot less conservative when Roe Vs Wade was overturned.

      Now if only they would vote like it

      Republicans also gained support from a higher share of women compared with previous elections: 48% of women voters cast ballots for GOP candidates in 2022 while 51% favored Democrats. In 2018, 40% voted for Republicans while 58% supported Democrats.

      For further context, the Dobbs decision was June 2022…

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      Maybe the fact that conservative governments erode the rights of women?

      Do they really? I know about stuff in the US, but what about the other countries. At least for Germany I can say that in the last 10 years I can’t really recall anything where the government tried to worsen women’s rights.

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        Herdprämie.

        The constitutional court axed the whole thing because it’s outside of the jurisdiction of the federation, Bavaria, and only Bavaria then went ahead and made it state law. They also consistently score worst when it comes to access to abortions.

        That’s the CSU though, the CDU had lots of high-ranking women at that time which explains why they weren’t pushing things into that direction. And the whole republic ridiculed vdL for trying to get rid of Vatertag, rightly so.

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          Yeah, I remember that, but I wouldn’t call that worsening women’s rights, it was something completely optional and if at all only highlighted existing sexism. It was more or less a susidy for families that didn’t sent their kids to kindergarten, the law didn’t state which parent had to take care of the children or anything like that. There was criticism that children wouldn’t grow up around other children and that it would hold women back in their careers because it would most likely be the mother who stays at home, but that’s not the fault of the law. And similar programs exist in Norway, Sweden and Denmark, and generally people consider those countries as progressive.

          Regarding abortions one law making it hard to access was the ridiculous § 219a StGB and that was abolished in 2022. The other problem is that doctors can’t be forced to perform abortions. The problem in general here is religious groups.

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        Compared to America, most conservative German politicians are damn near moderates.

        I know for a fact that they would be called ‘damn libruhls’ by nearly every republicunt they shared their policy ideals with.

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          It’s so ridiculous, last year some politicians from the CSU visited De Santis. They regularly copy talking points from the US, which make absolutely no sense. They even tried the “drag queens are groomers” thing, but it didn’t catch on. Next they’ll probably try to ban books or some other bullshit like that.

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    9 months ago

    I personally don’t like how the top left one starts at 2005, unlike every other graph, but they all have the same x scale. (I nitpick things sometimes)

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    Perpetuates the false dichotomy of a linear political spectrum of either liberal or conservative and that in and of itself is one of the reasons for these trends. Liberalism has nothing to offer men. Leftism does.

    You might as well be asking men how much they are willing to sacrifice for others vs. look after their own interests. When the inequality gap widens and the majority live below average economically, don’t you think people will tend to become more selfish? That’s all these charts show.

    Conservatism is essentially synonymous with patriarchy and on a very shallow level, it’s easy to see how men would choose that over the status quo. That will surely be better for men than this slow attrition of status that comes with ever increasing wealth concentration. This isn’t true but it is an obvious conclusion.

    The real question, which this survey completely ignores, conveniently, is what we should all be doing together to better the status quo for all. Because I believe almost everyone except a small and shrinking fraction agrees that current trends are not working for anyone.

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      Perpetuates the false dichotomy of a linear political spectrum of either liberal or conservative and that in and of itself is one of the reasons for these trends

      the graph explicitly takes 1 dimension of the spectrum to look at it in isolation. This is exactly what single graphs do best.

      which this survey completely ignores, conveniently

      have you looked at the source of the graph?

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      It’s relative to the nationstate’s domestic policies in question. And just a heads up, I know when people make statements like this it just reveals a lack of understanding regarding foreign countries’ domestic politics. However, it’s also important to point out that the meme itself is incredibly ethnocentric and is fundamentally based on a dismissal of the validity of political discourse outside Western Europe and North America. You don’t mean to be racist, right?