Is the kbin project completely dead?

the repo has nothing going on

the kbin.social website partly loads with error

did it just evaporate? or what?

      • jwr1@kbin.earth
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        4 months ago

        Hey, thanks for linking that. I actually made that from scratch within the past month. It has dedicated Servers, Apps, and Releases pages, and also a home screen for info about Mbin. The home page needs a lot of work though, so if anyone here is good at UI design and would like to help, feel free to comment.

  • originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com
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    4 months ago

    the original developer mentioned handing off the site/project to other people due to personal issues but that was like a month ago.

    this is part of the reason it was forked to mbin. the risk of a project being managed by a single person instead of a community is very real.

    it seems dead, but i like to remember there would be no mbin without kbin

    • wildncrazyguy138@fedia.io
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      4 months ago

      True that, I just took a look at the FAQ and it still references kbin.

      Question, how do we donate to this project?

      • BentiGorlich@gehirneimer.de
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        4 months ago

        We do not have a “project fund” or something like that. Some of us have donation sites to keep the servers running:

        My opinion: I do not want to get paid to develop mbin. That creates an obligation and turns it into something like a job. I already have a job and intend to keep it, additionally I don’t want to take the fun out of developing mbin. To commit to it full time or apply for grants or anything would currently be a big mistake I think

        • Ludrol@szmer.infoEnglish
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          4 months ago

          I do not want to get paid to develop mbin.

          In couple of years you will burn out doing this for free. Not getting paid opens up the project for another Jia Tan to come along and smuggle malware.

          There was recent talk by Rockstar Programmer Dylan Beattie that highlighted this problem. His website https://freeasinweekend.org/ and YT talk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzYqxo13I1U

          You don’t need to go 100% job or 100% mbin. You could theoretically go for less hours (like Fridays off) to work on mbin.

  • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
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    4 months ago

    Pretty much, as others have explained here. I wanted to add that in addition to its fork Mbin there is also the Sublinks project to make a new implementation of the ActivityPub protocol and thus surf the Fediverse independent of Lemmy. https://sublinks.org/ (link to GitHub there too)

  • Chozo@fedia.io
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    4 months ago

    Ernest, the lead dev for Kbin, has had a lot of big events happen in his life recently, so he has a tendency to just kinda disappear for weeks/months at a time while the project gets put on hold. He’ll usually come back, announce new plans for development, maybe push out a few updates, and then inevitably go radio silent again.

    I believe he’s got a few people assisting him now, but development has definitely slowed to the point of becoming concerning. I think it might be time for the Mbin team to start getting a little more free with the fork.

      • Chozo@fedia.io
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        4 months ago

        I believe that currently, Mbin isn’t making any drastic changes, and relying mostly on Kbin’s existing code as its base. As far as I’m aware, the Mbin team are mostly just doing maintenance-level development; fixing things as they break and making optimizations, but not so much in the way of developing new features. Mbin is currently just basically a copy of Kbin, without much distinguishing the two.

        Since Kbin doesn’t seem to be moving much at all, I think it might be a good idea for Mbin to start flexing their own muscles a bit, and making it into its own separate project. Otherwise, having a copy of a stale project just leaves you with two stale projects.

        • BentiGorlich@gehirneimer.de
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          4 months ago

          Mbin isn’t making any drastic changes

          UI wise, that one is definitely true

          and relying mostly on Kbin’s existing code as its base

          This one most certainly not. We actually stopped porting kbin code a few months into the project, because it just was too much work and it was obvious that Ernest didn’t want us to. So everything which changed on mbin in the about 8-10 months since, was purely our own work. Of course the basis will always be kbin, but the form will most likely change

          We’ve been keeping the UI mostly as is, because we all like it, however on the backend site of it a lot has changed. The biggest problems kbin had were compatibility wise (federation) and scaling wise. These were the points where we made huge changes. The federation compatibility has improved a lot (yes there is still a lot to do) and scaling/performance has also improved a ton.

          The biggest UI changes we made are:

          • new filter designs that work for threads as well as microblogs
          • a subscription panel
          • a usable instance wide modlog
          • a cake day display
          • and more stuff that I am forgetting at the moment (it’s been a while since I looked at kbin and I am mostly a backend dev)

          The backend changes we improved are (imo) more impactful:

          • (next release) direct messages are federating
          • (next release) pins federate
          • deleting users federate
          • magazine descriptions are federating correctly
          • mods federate
          • reports federate
          • incoming likes are working
          • the “hot” sort actually makes sense with lemmy content because it also looks at upvotes and not just at boosts
          • completely redone the hashtag system so it scales at all
          • completely redone the background worker system so it scales better (partly next release)

          And these are only the changes I could think of in 5 minutes. We likely changed a lot more things, which I just forgot.