My thoughts: this was not an accident. This was testing the waters.
I wonder what the person who absolutely insisted to me yesterday that this wasn’t about black people in general would have to say about this…
“I didn’t say anything of the sort (unless the audience liked it)”
That’s exactly what happened in my opinion.
I don’t know. I mean, he does sound like he catches himself, and he isn’t that good of an actor. But then, who the hell has that just… ready to go to the point where it just blurts out by itself? Like, how often do you have to say that out loud for it to just hijack your train of thought? It’s almost less damning if he did it on purpose, honestly.
If it’s in your regular enough vocabulary to “come out accidentally” you are a racist.
You also can’t ‘unsay’ a racial slur as much as my ex can’t ‘unfuck’ someone.
What’s also neat is that it also shows one’s intelligence. If you give him a pass “oh he said he was sorry” you’re a racist AND dumb.
(…) you’re a racist AND dumb.
To a large extent you’re racist because you’re dumb.
For the last few months they’ve traded their dog whistles for blow horns. More and more hatred is being normalized.
Important caveat. It’s become a common word in some varieties of black-american english and black people aren’t racist for using it.
There’s a reason a distinction is made between how black people use it and when the “hard r” is in the pronunciation
Not really, because he wasn’t a Black guy talking to Black people. He knew what he did.
It’s a racial slur. That’s it. Don’t use it, don’t think it, don’t think you can say it with your Black friends.
Obviously it’s fucked up how it was used in the above article.
And obviously if you’re not black you should never use it. But you’re assuming I’m not black with your comment.
I’m assuming no one needs that explained to them.
Okay I didn’t watch the video until looking at your link and saw the whole “he started saying migrant wrong” bullshit and was like, “okay maybe that is what happened.”. No, this dude straight throws a hard r n word out casually, unmistakable as anything else.
That was so fucking purposeful. Wow.
Lmao, whose down voting you? It’s a direct link to the video!
People downvote the weirdest shit.
“threads.net” = downvote, I reckon
files.catbox.moe/nilwcr.mp4
It is never an accident.
I meant an accident in the sense of “I said something racist out loud when I meant to only say it in my head.” But I don’t think that was the case here.
They hide behind “its only racism when im actively in the process of saying the n word out loud” but now i guess even that get’s an asterisk
Fair!
In other words, an editor of a magazine that explicitly advocated for white supremacy in the 50’s and 60’s let the mask they’ve since put on slip for a second
I think it was an accident. And this fuck uses the word too much.
Well it’s some very interesting timing for such an accident.
I changed my mind after putting in earphones and listening to it more clearly
The video also looks like he’s making an M sound (closed lips) than an N sound (open lips). Grammatically, I also don’t think including “Haitian” makes sense if the next word is a slur.
I’m all for calling out the actual content on the conversation as the absolute nonsense that it is, but this specific headline seems like a bit of a reach.
Also isn’t he defending migrants in the clip?
u/flyingsquid won’t look at this because of the dopamine hit he’s getting from manufactured outrage
Agree. It sounded like two words got fucked up and old reliably came out instead. Either way, Fuck that guy.
That, uh, was definitely a hard ‘r’ there. Jesus Christ.
Haitian mig-r? Lol. Clearly the man is too used to saying the N word off public broadcast.
Oh, he said it.
Wow.
“Guys the party switch is a myth we’re the party that abolished slavery”
Is there an audio clip?
Even better, there is a video of it. He definitely said it.
I was all but bending over backwards trying to hear how it might have been just a slip, bringing to bear the fact that both words have a nasal consonant and hard ‘g’ sounds, but… nope. He enunciates an ‘n’ again, clearly after he’s done saying “Haitian” and therefore where it doesn’t belong, and then he gets all the way to the hard ‘-er’, a “murmur diphthong” that simply doesn’t exist in ‘immigrant’ or ‘migrant’. The most charitable explanation with any plausibility whatsoever is that the n-word is a part of his spoken vocabulary and he failed to censor himself quickly enough.
Fuckin’ gross.
Yeah I have Threads in my uBlock filters. Watched the clip and, yeah, that’s a hard N if I’ve ever heard one.
I don’t see it. Is it the Threads link I have blocked?
Same, the embedded media is dead for me too.
Removed by mod
Having it clearly explained to you but still not letting it go. Clearly the example Lemmy mods should be aspiring to.
Edit: The point is that a resurrected MLK jr. could have said the same thing Trump said about Kamala and still had it refuted. Racism is besides the point and requires a whole bunch of supporting evidence regarding past statements, policies, and associations for any undecideds that haven’t already made up their mind.
So was this man racist when he said the N-word or is your whole principle of charity thing demanding (your word last time) that we give the best possible interpretation here and say it was all an accident and he never meant to be racist?
Declaring it an accident actually makes the argument ‘dude is racist’ stronger. If the N-word is used so often in your speech you utter it on camera by accident… yeah, that’s racist. I cannot see a charitable version implying the argument ‘dude is not racist for uttering the N-word, accidentally or not’, but I would entertain attempts in the interest of rational argumentation.
As the article says, his claim was that he “began to mispronounce the word ‘migrants’ and caught myself halfway through.”
Based on your whole ‘principle of charity’ idea, isn’t it your duty to believe him?
Based on your whole ‘principle of charity’ idea, isn’t it your duty to believe him?
No. The duty is to argue against the best version of his argument. For example: “Uttering the N-word in a racist manner is evidence I am a racist, I didn’t say the N-word, so this is not evidence I am a racist” fairly (side note: this may not be the best version of the argument so if someone concocts a better one I would attack that instead).
In this example I would (and already did elsewhere) say “I listened to the tape and heard a hard-N so the premise ‘I didn’t say the N-word’ is false” so the rest of the argument collapses and the argument concludes “he said the N-word, so this IS evidence he is racist”.
Ah, I see, the “principle of charity” includes “I know when to be charitable and it’s when I feel like it.”
Interesting how you didn’t argue against the “best version” of “she became black.”
https://x.com/peltzmadeline/status/1835743619971535137 a bit after 0:35
I’m gonna be honest, this is a stretch. I watched the clip. Whatever he was about to say definitely sounds like it was starting with an M, not an N. His lips are in a closed shape at that moment, which you’d see with an M sound and not an N. With the context of what he’s saying, it really sounds like he was trying to say “migrant” and “immigrant” at the same time.
Don’t get me wrong, this dude’s a dipshit for dozens of other reasons. But there’s nothing here this time. This really doesn’t seem to be worth any amount of energy.
we all watched the same video, and you’re wrong
Gonna invoke the hivemind rage and say that, upon listening w headphones, it does kinda sound like he’s saying “migr -” with a short “i” sound.
Now queue the downvotes, calling me racist, dumb, etc.
Yes, I often say “mihgr-” instead of “migrants” and then cut myself off. Plausible.
I think you’re hearing what you want to hear and getting a hit of the righteous outrage. Misspeaking is a thing, dude. You say “plausible” sarcastically, as if it weren’t actually 100% plausible lol
Sounds like everyone here is “hearing what they want to hear” except you. What does that suggest to you?
“everyone in my echo chamber thinks the same as me” isn’t the own you think it is
You can also claim anything you want if you simply dismiss everything you don’t agree with as biased and worthless, which you appear to be doing here.
No. I assumed it was actually something like thag. Then listened to it a bunch of times. I don’t find that plausible at all.
Yeah, I’m not 100% convinced either. It doesn’t sound like he used the n-word, nor that he caught himself halfway through saying it. People screw up speaking all the time, and on rare occasions it can sound like something offensive.
