To be fair, arch could look like that after a few days.
NixOS is like that every day for no reason
Oh, you updated one byte in your config? Better download the entire ducking Internet and rebuild everything!
staging rebuild cycles only happen every two weeks or so.
The reason is always that something changed and causes all dependent packages to change, requiring a rebuild of those too.
You see, this is why atomic desktops aren’t a bad idea.
This has nothing to do with immutable desktops.
Well in an immutable distro, there is little to no chance for the system to end up in an unusable state (I guess it is the same for distros which apply the updates atomically). Traditional distros are far more likely to bork when so much shit is updated at once
I don’t think this is true. The package manager is there for a reason to prevent that. If you have more updates to install at a time, then the chances are the same as if you would have installed the problematic update one at a time. Just read the manual intervention information from Arch and see if there is something to do, then it won’t bork. If people don’t know what they are doing and do not read the additional information (that is required to do so on Arch), well yes, then you could end up borking your machine. But not because so many updates are installed at a time. The package manager and operating system and their maintainer designed it in a way that you can install ton of updates at a time without borking. This is fine.
Between this comment about arch and the other comment about opensuse, it must only be apt which has issues with large updates with complicated dependency chains. I remember 5-6 years ago Ubuntu borking itself when I tried to update after a decent gap and had 100+ packages to update. There is also the fact that people used to advice me to make a clean install in lieu of updating whenever a new version of Ubuntu dropped.
Before my switch, i used Ubuntu exclusively for 13 years in row. I always heard of problems (and not at least because of the PPA repositories) when upgrading from one major version to the next, be it a LTS or not. I never did that and always installed fresh because of these stories. Mostly 4 years in between, or sometimes 2.
Its entirely possible that most problems happened because of packages from PPA that the user did not change for the new upgrade. Because PPA repositories were often designed for a specific version of Ubuntu. So its not entirely the fault of the
aptpackage manager in that case.No, it’s just that Ubuntu never correctly upgrades between releases.
I’ve tried so many times, and it basically always failed.
As an anecdote (and not statistics) I have distro upgraded OpenSUSE with 5000 packages to install (thanks TeXlive LaTeX). It was fine.
It’s arch. There’ll be no issue here.
people laughed at me for choosing debian. they asked why i chose to have ancient runes running in my computer
who’s laughing now?
Still we, dinosaur.🦖
Read the Arch news before clicking “yes”.
I used to be an adventurer like you, but then I took an error to
gpg.
I did this regularly on arch. And it didn’t end very well.
So you neglected the operating systems maintained regularly, despite it being a rolling release? I assume you didn’t read the manual intervention instructions that are posted regularly too. I don’t understand people using a rolling release and then not caring about the maintenance. Off course it won’t end very well.
This is why I Dont use rolling release Distros on Pcs i wont use often.
I used to care but with recovery tools being what they are and most apps being containers… my base systems tend to be a little more disposable.
That said, I haven’t had problems, even if I am at risk for more of them. I have my snapshots and my backups.
Because you get updates and have an up to date system?
Because you get a update once a update for a package comes out, If you dont update for a very long time you need to download a very large update.
Sure, and that’s exactly what you want if you are on a rolling release, isn’t it? If you neglect the rolling release for a month, what did you expect would happen? Also if you have more apps and packages, the more updates will come out. Rolling releases are for people who maintain the system and care about the updates.
What if my pc breaks down or I cannot use it for a month or smth.
On servers and pcs I don’t use often yeah its fairRead the manual intervention notes from Arch that could be important. And do the update. That’s normal and nothing to worrry about, if you know what you are doing.
Remembers Tumbleweed fondly
Would you recomend it for daily usage?
I used Tumbleweed for eight years with no problems. I only moved to EndeavourOS because Suse bared their corporate teeth and I got fed up being a couple of generations behind on the Nvidia drivers. EndeavourOS is also good.
My problem with EndeavourOS is that it is terminal centered. I prefer GUI. Don’t think it has a package manager gui.
Isn’t it running plain KDE? If so, Discover is included.
You can install Octopi or Pamac which both handle the standard repositories and the aur. I don’t know if they handle flatpak or snap though.
Used tumbleweed for ages. No issues. Switched to slowroll again with no issues. Now trying fedora. All with Kde plasma.
Sometimes I wish someone would make a an Arch box and come back to it years later to see the updates it has missed.
But that’s assuming an Arch box would be reliable enough to stay alive that long lol.
Always heard of 20+ year old bsd and debian machines chugging along with no issue.
It won’t rise much beyond that, since you only get one update per package. Whether it’s upgrading Firefox from version 120 to 121 or to version 130, it doesn’t change much in terms of download size, nor the number of updates.
At least, I assume, Arch doesn’t do differential updates. On some of the slower-moving distributions, they only make you download the actual changes to the files within the packages. In that case, jumping to 121 vs. 130 would make more of a difference.
If you do want lots of package updates, you need lots of packages. The
texlive-fullpackage is always a fun one in that regard…I have updated arch systems that had not been powered on for years before. It was fine. No issues what so ever. Arch is not some flaky distro that breaks if you look away for a minute. My main system has had had the same install for over 5 years now and I regularly forget to update it for months at a time. Again, no issues.
Yeah really the biggest issue I could see is pacman’s keyring being so out of date that it has to be manually refreshed with a new one
Pretty sure you can’t leave Arch lying around for even two months.
Yes, you can. You can even update Arch after a year. But you’ll have to do a few more steps than just pacman -Syu
Those are rookie numbers.
I have an Arch laptop that I didn’t update for 3.5 years. The system update took a while when I finally went through with it. Amazingly it didn’t break anything!
Looks like a !!FUN!! time in Dwarf Fortress.
Recently updated a nixos machine that was on the shelf for five years or so. A few options and packages had been renamed, fixed those, upgrade completed with zero problems.
And they’re red, that means the offer is about to expire. Better act quick!
Better apt quick!
LOL, That’s just a normal Monday
I’m sorry, I gotta - you have the menu on AND the button bar? like, why? you click on those things? you got your screen real-estate on a sale, what?
Be nice, can’t you see they’re only able to afford red pixels?
Ya I turn those off too haha. Hide the scrollbar too… Then press F11. Terminal man…
Are you talking about the 2 bars at the top of the window? If yes, I find them more useful than the used space. Probably a matter of taste
oh, of course, sorry if I came off harsh. it’s just, I escaped Gnome’s gigantic title bars and useless buttons in it occupying like half the screen, and couldn’t wait to turn it all off in Konsole, so I’m kinda baffled with anyone having them on. just FYI, check out the keyboard shortcuts for Konsole and you’ll boost your productivity considerably.
edit: this one’s mine. there are many like it but this one’s mine.
Keyboard shortcuts mean memorising. Some people have issues with memory. On-screen buttons mean no memorising.
That’s the cool thing about Linux. You can customise it to your own needs and desires. Everybody is different.
Sorry I just realised I was wrong and I did not have the menu bar by default. I don’t really notice it anymore…
