Well the most important thing is that you feel morally superior to other people, and create spaces that minoritised people don’t feel welcome in because allowing bigots to voice their nonsense is more important than actually listening to those minoritised people.
That sounds like a strong idea. Let’s find out who disagrees with it and try to change their minds. If we get a majority to agree with that idea, maybe we can change some laws
Yeah like I said, thankless… I’m not sure how else you expect to achieve any progress with people. The type of silencing you suggest could just as easily be used against you too. “We’re right and they’re wrong, so why don’t we just take a shortcut and strongarm them?” Your counterparts on their side are saying the exact same thing so guess how that all ends
It’s “thankless” because you are a complete tool. It’s “thankless” because you think people’s right are up for debate. Because you think it’s reasonable to tell minoritised people to simply wait, probably for the rest of their lives, for their ability to participate in society as equals.
And of course it’s not YOU paying the price, you just condescendingly demand other people pay the price. Because for you, it’s more important that the bigots are comfortable, than minorities getting to live their lives.
If you aren’t sure how else we expect to make progress, open up a damn history book. Pride was a riot.
I think literally everything is technically up for debate. Your right to exist is an example of something that should easily win over 99% of those debates. 100% of them actually if you assume any human at all has a right to exist. Do you think a majority can’t possibly arrive at the conclusion that you deserve to exist?
I’m not saying you can talk it out with everyone, but I would reserve tribalism for when all else fails because not everyone is intentionally cackling and twirling their mustache
Your right to exist is an example of something that should easily win over 99% of those debates. 100% of them actually if you assume any human at all has a right to exist.
… I’m saying that the life I’m currently living, and the lives of my friends, and materially worse precisely because there are a lot of people who do not think we deserve to exist.
You make it sound like this trivially simple process. That all we have to do is have these discussions and we’ll come out with a positive result. That we just need to go out there, and we’ll change hearts and minds, and we’ll all live happily ever after.
What world are you living in? Pull your head out of your arse.
We’ve been having these same discussions for decades at least. We’ve had genocides and fought wars over these ideas that you think we should just “change people’s minds” about.
Well the most important thing is that you feel morally superior to other people, and create spaces that minoritised people don’t feel welcome in because allowing bigots to voice their nonsense is more important than actually listening to those minoritised people.
May the best ideas win. If your views don’t hold up to criticism, so be it. I think they do, you’re just too exhausted to defend them
My “idea” that I should be able to exist in society.
That sounds like a strong idea. Let’s find out who disagrees with it and try to change their minds. If we get a majority to agree with that idea, maybe we can change some laws
Words cannot adequately express the depth of the loathing and hatred I hold towards you and people who hold your ideals.
Yeah like I said, thankless… I’m not sure how else you expect to achieve any progress with people. The type of silencing you suggest could just as easily be used against you too. “We’re right and they’re wrong, so why don’t we just take a shortcut and strongarm them?” Your counterparts on their side are saying the exact same thing so guess how that all ends
It’s “thankless” because you are a complete tool. It’s “thankless” because you think people’s right are up for debate. Because you think it’s reasonable to tell minoritised people to simply wait, probably for the rest of their lives, for their ability to participate in society as equals.
And of course it’s not YOU paying the price, you just condescendingly demand other people pay the price. Because for you, it’s more important that the bigots are comfortable, than minorities getting to live their lives.
If you aren’t sure how else we expect to make progress, open up a damn history book. Pride was a riot.
I think literally everything is technically up for debate. Your right to exist is an example of something that should easily win over 99% of those debates. 100% of them actually if you assume any human at all has a right to exist. Do you think a majority can’t possibly arrive at the conclusion that you deserve to exist?
I’m not saying you can talk it out with everyone, but I would reserve tribalism for when all else fails because not everyone is intentionally cackling and twirling their mustache
… I’m saying that the life I’m currently living, and the lives of my friends, and materially worse precisely because there are a lot of people who do not think we deserve to exist.
You make it sound like this trivially simple process. That all we have to do is have these discussions and we’ll come out with a positive result. That we just need to go out there, and we’ll change hearts and minds, and we’ll all live happily ever after.
What world are you living in? Pull your head out of your arse.
We’ve been having these same discussions for decades at least. We’ve had genocides and fought wars over these ideas that you think we should just “change people’s minds” about.