I am curious to hear from people who started vaping without having smoked beforehand.

I’m curious about these things - feel free to respond to as many or as few of them as you wish. Primarily I am thinking about nicotine, but feel free to reply if you vape something different.

  1. What age were you when you started vaping? Feel free to reply with a vague range (e.g. 12-15) or description (e.g. young teen / adult)

  2. Why did you start?

  3. Do you regret having ever started? If so, why do you regret it?

  4. Have you noticed any long-term negative health effects from vaping?

  5. Do you feel that the socialogical and/or legal issues around vaping are more or less of a concern than health effects? (e.g. having to go outside to vape, vaping being banned/restricted in certain places/situations/countries, the risks of vaping being more legally controlled in future, etc.)

  6. Do you feel that the financial cost of vaping is more or less of a concern than the health effects?

No need to follow the numbered format or anything, this isn’t a survey, I’m just looking for answers to these questions for my own personal curiosity! Also, feel free to add any more information that you wish!

Please only share from your personal experience - no links to news stories or studies, please.

Also, not interested in responses from ex-smokers, sorry - those can be found in huge volume already.

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    If you want my opinion: Don’t get addicted to nicotine.

    I’ve quit vaping. And it’s supposedly easy for some people… But for me, overcoming the nicotine addiction has been hard and just shit and taken way longer than I thought. So, I don’t know why you’re asking all these questions… Just be a bit cautious with nicotine and things like that.

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        I want to express my solidarity. Thank you for sharing. It also makes me feel less alone. Seems it’s easier for some people and not so easy for others. I was always told to push through and remind myself it’ll get better. Turns out that’s not even half the truth. I stopped vaping a few months ago. And I still wouldn’t consider myself fine. The worst stuff slowly faded. But it took me way longer than the one or two weeks i read somewhere. It’s the right thing, though.

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        I’m really sorry to hear that you’re suffering, but I’m curious about what made you decide to quit?

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        German law. Crazy high taxes were introduced starting earlier this year.

        Why do you want to know all the things in your post? They’re somewhat specific for ‘just curious’. (If I might ask…)

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          So it’s a monetary thing, mainly? If it was cheap would you still want to quit?

          I’m very curious on the topic - having had many friends and relatives who have started vaping, I wanted to get an understanding of the topic, both in terms of health data, but also the perspectives of people who vape.

          It’s incredibly difficult to get good, clear information about this - lots of responses are from smokers talking about how much better vaping is than smoking - but we know that kids/teens have been picking up vaping at a high rate without ever having smoked and have been doing so now for a number of years, so those responses aren’t helpful.

          On the other hand, when it comes to finding the negatives of vaping, it’s very difficult - so much has been written about one or two overblown stories (e.g. vitamin E acetate in THC vapes, or issues involving black-market or gray-market vapes/nicotine solutions) which absolutely drowns out the ability to find information about the negative health effects of a typical vape user buying name-brand products from reputable suppliers.

          Long story short, I’m just trying to gather opinions and personal experience with vaping products. I have no real opinion either way, I’m just looking for the truth.

          If you do want to help people avoid nicotine, all of the research has shown that the best anti-smoking campaigns used storytelling and strong emotional messaging - so I would encourage you to share your story if you’ve had a negative experience with vaping.

          Edit: I just saw your edit saying my questions were a bit specific, it’s possibly my autism or something that makes me inclined to the way I asked, if that helps. It’s genuinely just curiosity, I’m just weird, haha

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            I like your curiosity. Smoker turned vaper here. Being addicted to anything rules a part of your mind and life. I crave it constantly. It seriously occupies so much of my time and focus and I don’t really get anything out of it outside of feeding the addiction.

            I guess you can say it’s fun but it doesn’t stay fun if you get hooked it’s like a tractor beam.

            I’m only talking about my experience with the drug, I realize it’s not this way for others. It’s a powerful drug nonetheless.

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    If you’re asking this because you’re considering starting - dont. I vaped for a little while in college, started out with the 0 nicotine juices, but after trying a few nicotine ones I found I liked the “throat hit” you got from the nicotine versions, as well as the head high.

    One day I lost my vape and that’s when I realized how unexpectedly I got hooked. I stopped then and there and it’s only because I hadn’t been at it too long that I was able to quit cold turkey and permanently (10 years since then now).

    The fact is that on the “pro” side, you get a mild buzz, and only when you’re vaping stronger concentrations than you’re used to and that’s about it. I started because I thought it was cool and it was a conversation starter at parties (vaping was more novel then and college freshmen are easy to impress), but I’m so glad I knocked that shit off before it really got it’s hooks into me.

    On the con side its expensive, unhealthy (only considered “healthy” when compared to sucking smoke), uncool to everyone over the age of 20, and highly addictive (if using nicotine, but even if you plan to stick with 0 nicotine juice, you may eventually cave, I did.)

    Basically there’s very little reason to start and a lot of really compelling reasons to never pick it up

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    I really regret it.I picked it up during the pandemic due to boredom and got hooked to the headrush. I tried to quit because it makes me anxious and I no longer get any positive effects from it but the cravings are insane and Wellbutrin did not help with it.

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      Thank you for sharing your experience, and I’m sorry that you’re suffering from it. Could it be possible to taper your nicotine dosage down gradually to help with quitting?

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        I'll give it a shot during my annual leave with the help of a specialist to end this habit.

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    Vapes can be as bad as smoking for you but there are restrictions to it like it smelling like shit which at least prevents teens from starting it to some extend. When it comes to vape its new it actually does smell kinda good,its colorful and packaged like a toy. Vape is the cousin of cigarettes that is designed to exploit younger people. Don't do it

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      All of the evidence says that vaping is much less harmful than smoking, so I’m afraid that I will have to disagree with you on that. This kind of misinformed comment is not helpful to discourage vaping, as it just makes all anti-vaping messaging seem deceptive, which is why I asked for personal stories from people about their experience.

      I agree with what you wrote about vape products being marketed at young people, but that isn’t the focus of this post.

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        Having had our school call ambulances to scrape teen students off the bathroom floor due to vape smoking on several occasions now, I can tell you that there are health risks. We have also had several teens contract unexpected asthma for “no reason” after vaping. Sorry if yu have been misinfoemed by the hype, but consult a doctor instead of a publicist for a truthful rundown on the true short and long term risks of vaping.

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          I would have been interested in your perspective if it wasn’t for your attitude. You seem really aggressive and chauvinistic, so I don’t really want to engage further.

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            Heh. “That word you keep saying. I do not think it means what you think it means…”

            Seriously mate, consult a doctor instead of the internet if you want truth instead of your own chosen fiction.

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              You’re the only person I’ve had a problem with in all of these comments, I would have really appreciated your opinion and I would have enjoyed hearing more about your experiences, but you’re talking down to me and treating me poorly for asking challenging questions and sharing non-controversial facts. Not only that but you’re making massive assumptions about my opinions and actions. And despite all of that, you still think that you’re in the right. It’s unbelievably arrogant behaviour, and I really hope you overcome it.

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    1. Adult
    2. Because a girl I had a crush on vaped, so I'd vape with her so that I had an excuse to spend more time with her.
    3. No, because I quit.
    4. No, because I quit.
    5. Obviously the health concerns are greater than anything else.
    6. Obviously the health concerns are greater than anything else.
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      Thanks - did you quit because you had heard about health issues? How long did you vape before quitting? What issues did you hear about that most influenced you to quit?

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        Nah, I quit because she went to a different company and was no longer friends with me, so I no longer had a reason to vape lol. If it wasn't for the girl, I would've never picked it up. IMO it's a waste of money + with all the health concerns, there's no point in vaping.

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    I started in college. Vaped for around 8 years like constantly. Once you’re really addicted your body tells you you’re getting pleasure from vaping, but really you’re just temporarily setting back how bad it feels to not vape. You’re literally having a miniature panic attack every time you crave it and stopping it by doing it.

    Been clean for a year now. My overall stress level is WAY lower than while vaping. Felt that after a few months in a big way. I’ve also got high blood pressure. I ran out of my prescription blood pressure meds the same day I quit. A month later when I went to the doctor my BP was significantly lower than when I was on them, so literally quitting did more for my BP than prescription meds.

    I sleep a lot better now too. Also, not having to constantly sneak away, or get grumpy on a plane, etc. Also also, to do with the blood pressure, but as a dude sexual performance is notably better.

    Don’t start vaping.

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    I was in my early 20s when I started. Wanted the calming effects of nicotine, was into other similar interests, and was dating someone who also got into it. He was actually the second vaper I'd dated, so you could say it took me a while to be interested.

    I'd had a couple cigs before but I never considered myself a smoker and didn't take to it. Vaping became a huuuge hobby for me. Learning about different mods, building your own coils, DIY e-juice, etc. I was vaping all day, all the time, pretty much as soon as I woke up (at the lowest amount possible though). It was a nice flavor and chemical pick me up when I was on edge. Sort of like a physical distraction. I vaped for 5 or so years. The lasting effects I've noticed are that sometimes I miss it. That's it. It was pretty hard to quit, mostly because I didn't want to. I had a lot of resistance, because it became a passion for me. But nicotine regulations started to suck, and that same partner quit as well. I got really sick with a flu and didn't vape during it. Then, I didn't start again after I got better. I had dreams about it, and it took a bit for me to want to move on.

    The thing is, though, I don't feel any different now than when I was vaping constantly. It doesn't improve your life that much. It'd be great if it could be an occasional thing, like alcohol or dessert is, but it's hard to not do it all the time if you're doing it at all. And you get to an equilibrium where it just doesn't feel that strong. Hence the constant clouds.

    The most annoying part about it is that it becomes like a security blanket. You have to take it everywhere. Forget it for work? Guess you'll just be late today. Have to sit for a movie? Man it sucks not to vape inside. Flying for hours? What a nightmare, can't wait to land and go outside.

    It was annoying to not feel myself if I ever decided to leave my vape behind. And blowing clouds out of my car was great, but it sucked having to wipe down my car windshield all the time due to the glycerin condensation. Same with inside – no smoke on the walls, but the glycerine would hang around and I'd have to run an air purifier. I'd often worry about the vapor leaving slight residue all over my apartment, belongings, monitors, PC internals and such.

    Overall, it was great for a while as it was something I got really into, but it was also a lot of money and stress over something that didn't really benefit my life the way other hobbies still continue to do. Much better to be a free person unattached from adult security blankets. 😎

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    1. ~18.

    2. See answer below.

    3. No.

    4. No.

    5. Yes.

    6. Yes.


    I started vaping around when I was 18, back when disposable coils were first starting to be a thing and the paradigm was mainly making your own coils, testing resistance, and then pulling your own cotton. Very much a manual process, and not a known thing just yet. Smoke shops were just starting to carry juice.

    I started after I got in trouble at work for eating sunflower seeds. Back then I had a pretty bad tick where I had to do something with my mouth quite often. My coworker mentioned it and I saw it as an alternative, I also liked the idea of replacing caffeine with nicotine as a stimulant.

    Easy to guess, but my symptoms and tick were ADHD related. It worked for a short while, but soon I was using both caffeine and nicotine, though by the time I quit vaping for the first time I had completely gotten over the tick.

    Since I started I’ve been through a few cycles of quitting and resuming. I’ve never quit because I saw it as an addiction, and mainly have quit for financial or health reasons, if any at all. And by health I’m referring to purely the impact stimulants had on my blood pressure, nothing to do with vaping itself.

    Being ADHD my addictions have always been as transient as my hobbies, and I’ve quit both nicotine and caffeine multiple times and only the last few times grew conscious of the withdrawal symptoms.

    I do recognize it as a legitimate addiction, as the time I quit intentionally (asthmatic friend was visiting) I did notice the desire to resume, although that may also be related to finally finding working ADHD treatment.

    If you plan properly you can use 0nic liquid and mix it with nic liquid to slowly wean yourself off nicotine, and have personally coached two people through this process, one of which was a lifetime smoker.

    Aside from health concerns from nicotine itself, the only health issue I’ve had from vaping was suffocating myself by vaping too much lol.

    I do think vaping in public should be treated the same as smoking, and that access be behind an age restriction. But I don’t see it as anything more than a mildly unhealthy vice. My addiction to sugar and sweet stuff has been much more harmful to me and is completely unchecked here in the US.

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    What age were you when you started vaping?

    Around 50.

    Why did you start?
    

    A friend was vaping to stop smoking and was complaning about flavors and cost of the juice. I wanted to DIY for him and ended up enjoying the overall experience.

    Note: descreasig nic mg for him, 0mg for me.

    Do you regret having ever started? If so, why do you regret it?
    

    No.

    Have you noticed any long-term negative health effects from vaping?

    No.

    Do you feel that the socialogical and/or legal issues around vaping are more or less of a concern than health effects? 
    

    Big Tobacco and neo-puritains have teamed up to flood the zone with FUD. A classic “baptist and bootlegger” scenario.

    Do you feel that the financial cost of vaping is more or less of a concern than the health effects?
    

    DIYing one’s one coils and juice can make the cost quite minimal, and increase control over what you put into your body.

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      Interesting, thank you for sharing. What would you say you most enjoy about vaping? How much e-liquid do you get through in, say, a month? Have you ever been tempted to try e-liquid containing nicotine?

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        What would you say you most enjoy about vaping?

        • It kept me from stress-eating.
        • I liked the recipe experimentation
        • I have always liked watching how smoke plumes move in the air
        • I enjoyed the math and the physical action of making coils

        How much e-liquid do you get through in, say, a month?

        I don’t remember, it’s been a few years. Maybe a hundred ml?

        Have you ever been tempted to try e-liquid containing nicotine?

        I had bulk nic for making juice for others. I do not enjoy nicotine and would not take it for recreational purposes. There is some evidence that there are neuroprotective aspects, so had I continued I might have added 0.5mg/ml or something for that purpose.

        I stopped because I travel fulltime now and the constant altitude changes caused constant leaking and mess.