But we’re people not machines.

Imagine being in that line of work and having to tell people you’re a “snake oil salesman.”

Toyota does an “angel hum” sound on their hybrids.

Jake from State Farm?

He was doing this 9-10 years ago with “fake news”

“Quit tryin’ to church it up, Dirt.”

That is what would happen. What won’t happen is “the planet dying” like you claimed above and don’t seem to grasp.

Slightly more than $7500, as that is the amount of the tax credit. Any buyer that is in the market for a 2024 Model 3 LR has the choice to buy it directly from Tesla for the $47k with all of the trust and benefits (possibly preferential pricing on financing).

What? I’m talking about buying it from Tesla. You pay them $47k and then at the end of the year receive a $7500 credit making your purchase price $39,500. I’m not referring to buying a used car at a new car’s price.

I’m not seeing where I said that. Can you link/quote my words where you’re seeing that?

Right here in your initial comment:

In 2022 a Tesla Model 3 LR cost $52k while you can get the exact same car new today for $47k.

Okay I see, you’re getting stuck on a minor point for this part.

In economics there’s a concept call substitution.

What does this have to do with depreciation on EVs versus depreciation on any other vehicle? 1 of 1 cars are so rare that they’re completely irrelevant when talking about the other 250 million cars on the road in the US. Again, you’re comparing the MSRP of the 2022 model year versus the MSRP of the 2024 model year to claim depreciation while also ignoring my point above about the 2019 model year being much cheaper than both. While it is true that someone who paid more for the same car isn’t going to get as much out of it on the used market, this is in no way unique to Tesla, EVs, or any car on the market.

The whole basis of this argument was someone claiming that EVs suffer from ‘extra’ depreciation and I was simply asking for some real numbers to back that claim up. All of your number mirror that of any other car on the road because a car with wear and tear on it isn’t as valuable as one without (the very definition I quoted above).

Dude, you’re all over the place. You’re now comparing used car prices to new car prices when previously you were comparing new car prices from prior years to new car prices from today.

If I go out and buy a 2024 Model 3 LR for $47k, how much depreciation have I incurred? Previously you said it’s at least a few thousand dollars because they cost more in 2022, but now you’re saying it only matters what today’s purchase price is compared to what I could sell it for used. You can’t have it both ways.

It’s quite funny how the rhetoric has devolved to the point where comments like yours are almost indistinguishable from MAGA supporters who talk about people being “paid by Soros” all because I don’t support funding and arming people in their pursuit of genocide.

Those were priced higher and comparable to the compacts like the Corolla, Civic, and Sentra.

I think there just wasn’t enough demand since people would rather pay a little more to get a little more car than they need for those rare times when a lot of cargo space was needed. Additionally, tiny CUVs like the RAV4 have increased in popularity quite a bit and still get great fuel economy, further reducing demand for the sub-compacts. These cars were also marketed toward young people like college students who have a harder time affording a new car these days and would rather buy a good used one for much cheaper.

I don’t have an exact number but it was fine with my tires. Newer, low profile tires can’t do it because the sidewalls are so short but the tires on the CT look meaty enough to handle these low pressures.

The issue is more about popping the bead off the wheel than your wheel touching the ground.

They survived multiple giant asteroid strikes already. The issue is habitability for humans, but the planet itself is not in danger.

Okay assuming we do go with your definition, the 2019 Model 3 LR was $36,000, meaning they’ve appreciated by $11,000 over the last 5 years. Once again this disproves your point.

The 2022 numbers you picked were the absolute peak of COVID era pricing, but they’re still selling for more than they used to, meaning they aren’t depreciating at all.

Regardless of where you fall on EVs or new car pricing, the Aveo was hot garbage and there’s a reason why they only cost $10k. This is the same reason why you don’t see any of them on the road anymore.

too dumb to see how their actions promote the end goals that they pretend to fight against.

GeNoCiDe JoE

The irony here is palpable.

The definition of depreciation is:

a reduction in the value of an asset with the passage of time, due in particular to wear and tear.

The MSRP going down isn’t depreciation as you’re referring to a brand new item that you haven’t even purchased and hasn’t been used.

Prices shot way up during COVID and now they’re coming back to reality in response to higher interest rates and slowing sales across the entire automotive market, not just with EVs. Housing prices have come down too but again that doesn’t mean depreciation, it’s just a response to interest rates being 2-3x higher than they were just a couple of years ago and sale prices adjusting accordingly (you’re still paying more overall with interest).

The context here is that “people are concerned about depreciation,” but why would people be concerned that they’re able to buy these cars new at a slightly cheaper price to begin with? Most people prefer to pay as little as possible for things, which is the whole point of companies having a sale on their products.

It’s absolutely true. I used to drive my 6,000 lb squarebody all over the Oregon sand dunes in 2wd because it had big, wide tires that I’d drop down to 10 PSI. This had a stock small block V8 that probably put out a whopping 150HP.

Just tire pressure alone can make or break even the most capable vehicle. You need to float on the surface, not dig in. Street tire pressure will make your vehicle dig in and get stuck immediately regardless of weight or horsepower.

That’s not depreciation that’s just a response to the highest interest rates we’ve seen in 20+ years and dwindling sales numbers.

This is no different than the monthly sales we used to see on every car prior to COVID but this was somewhat obscured by the nature of the dealership model and having to haggle on the actual price of the car.

What issues with depreciation? Can you list actual models and prices to back your claim because it seems like most people are bitching about the high prices of EVs.