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    West Virginia Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin called today’s vote to oust McCarthy a “sad day for our country” that sends a negative message to the rest of the world about American democracy.

    -Said a douchebag who spent years obstructing progress.

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      Joe Manchin voting record sends a negative message to the rest of the world about American democracy.

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        Perhaps. But consider Speaker Jordan. McCarthy may be a jellyfish who had no business wrapping his tentacles around the House gavel, but he at least tried to slither across the aisle on occasion.

        I’m settling in for the clown show to come.

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        He’s a dem who doesn’t seem to share any views with other Dems.

        He singlehandedly delayed or outright prevented many large bills from going through.

        When Bidens term is looked back upon, Manchin will be the force that prevented Biden from pushing though some of his more progressive plans.

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          He doesn’t always vote with the democrats, but if a republican had won that seat, they would be much more likely to side with the republicans.

          He hasn’t done anything single-handedly, in every case where he gets blamed, it’s because there’s a huge Republican minority opposing something and he joins them. You can never blame him unless you’re first blaming all the Republicans he’s joining.

          He’s a lightning rod because people think that for some reason he should vote with the democrats every time, but that’s not realistic. He’s a democrat from a very conservative state. The problem isn’t Manchin, it’s that they have to rely on Manchin and Sinema so much. If the democrats had a firm majority, his votes wouldn’t matter. Instead he’s often the deciding vote on something, so if he doesn’t support it it fails. But, again, it would be worse if a Republican had won instead. Right now the senate is 51/49, and the Democrats can occasionally pass things. If Manchin had lost it would be 50/50 and they’d virtually never pass anything.

          When people look back at Biden’s term, they’ll note that it was the Republican who blocked everything, and that the 51/49 senate was too close to pass anything meaningful. Sinema and Manchin will probably get a mention, but anybody objective will note that it was the Republicans who blocked things, not Manchin and Sinema.

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            Democrats can actually pass bills 50/50: if the US Senate ever has a tie vote, the Vice President gets to pick a winner.

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            Including the fact that there are plenty of other Democratic senators who believe the same shit he does and vote accordingly but he’s doing what he agreed to do as the public whipping boy.

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          There are two things he’s useful for: having a Democrat as Senate Majority Leader, and he actually does side with Dems on voting rights most of the time (even co-sponsoring bills). That’s it. Other than that, might as well let the seat fall to a Republican for all the good he does.

          With his position as swing vote, Manchin is arguably the most powerful person in the world. He’s doing fuck all with that power besides obstructing things. If I were a W. Virginia voter with sense, I would be asking how he’s using his position to help W. Virginia. You want to bring jobs and industry and sweet government pork to your state, Joe? You’re in a prime position to do it.

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        Democratic senator from an otherwise red state. He tends to be a spoiler for Democratic plans, along with Kristen Synema.

        If the GOP was closer to the center, he would likely switch parties.

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          from an otherwise red state

          Not really, his voters overwhelmingly support progressive policies.

          It’s just no progressive has a chance in the primary with the party blocking all of Manchin’s primary opponents.

          It has been on a downswing lately tho. 2016 there was more D than R voters, and 2021 it got tied up.

          I do t know why everyone acts like all these “red states” are worth writing off, it really wouldn’t be hard if we actually tried for them.

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            I don’t know where you’re getting there being more D than R voters in WV. The last two presidential elections went to Trump by 40 points

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            Manchin is a senator, which means the election is state-wide, and West Virginia is a deeply red state.

            A Progressive candidate has 0 chance in West Virginia and any claim otherwise is quite simply wishful thinking.

            Let’s leave the Bernie Math in 2016

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          He’s not all bad. He has let the democrats get through as many judges as possible. That said, he is a bad look for the party hands down. He allows moderates to believe democrats have a plurality when really they are just being lead by the people the least to the left. So when things go wrong it was the other 48’s fault but not really.

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              No, the various federal benches. Which, incidentally, were the only federal positions that Trump had been filling with any urgency. Ambassadors and heads of departments all went unfilled, but not judges. So now the federal bench is stuffed with Trump appointees, and Democrats are only pushing back a bit.

              If they had any sense, they’d quadruple the size of the federal judiciary and stuff it back up. The size hasn’t been increased in a while, and the workload per judge has been pilling up, so there’s a good reason to do this, anyway.

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              … no Joe Manchin has not helped the democrats appoint any christofascist Supreme Court Justices.

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        He’s like the swing vote guy, or one of them. Votes against party policy.

        Summary of voting record: opposes big business, environmental protection, financial sector regulation, gun control, hawkish foreign policy, foreign and humanitarian aid, taxing the middle class, military spending, domestic surveillance. Supports taxing businesses, restrict money in politics, consumer protection, disaster relief, funding education, public health, labor rights and wages, lgbt rights, internet freedom, a robust safety net, higher spending, women’s rights.

        Came across this site looking up an answer for you. http://politicsthatwork.com/voting-record/Joe-Manchin-412391

        Worth looking at it in more detail because he did vote to support abortion restriction so idk about supporting women’s rights etc.

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        He’s the dem senator from west Virginia. He’s a coal barron we put up with because if he lost a Republican would most likely take his seat. He’s the Senate’s kingmaker