Edit: Enough money as in buying a PC supporting windows 11
Or have enough mon… My brother it’s free. Zero dollars.
I think the mangled English there is suggesting that some people don’t care enough, and other people have enough money (to buy Windows).
Not that it matters because who the fuck pays for Windows anyway? OEMs do, but not normal people. Everything since like Windows 7 has been a free upgrade, and normies get a new PC more often than that so get a copy with it.
OEMs do
And they pass that on to the consumer lol.
and other people have enough money
Those usually buy apple stuff, so that’s probably who it tried to mention
I seriously can’t make sense of this meme… What is it trying to say? Why is the train smashing “Linux adoption”? It seems like this meme contradicts itself at every opportunity lol
The meme actually means what it states. That people have money to buy Windows. Most people earn enough to buy their own OS.
It is kind of a blindspot, you cant imagine a meme actually stating people having enough money on hand. And they do, most of them earn a living.
Yeah, the sentence could have been worded better.
Why would they need money? Linux based OSes are both free and much lighter than Windows
The meme, which wasn’t well-written, is suggesting that the cost savings of switching to Linux isn’t significant to most people. It’s saying
Most people
- don’t care enough
- have enough money
rather than
Most people don’t
- care enough
- have enough money
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Most people will install Windows 11, complain about it, complain about the lack of Windows alternatives, then get offended and spam downvote anyone who mentions an alternative.
This pretty much sums up the pcmasterrace community and i ended up leaving because of it.
Most people will buy a computer, that computer will have Windows 11 on it, they’ll start using that computer and the pre-installed OS that came with it, and maybe, occasionally, they will complain that “this is different now” and that “they always change things, it’s so annoying” and that will be the end of it.
If you’re talking about people who install or even just upgrade the OS on their computer by themselves, are aware of such a concept as “alternative operating systems,” engage in any kind of conversation about operating systems on social media, and then care enough about the topic to downvote people who disagree with them on purely ideological grounds, you’re already talking about a tiny, tiny minority of computer users.
I’m trying to learn Linux, got Cinnamon to dip my toes into, and love it.
And being someone who is computer literate, finding a distro that was similar to windows to learn with was a pain. With all the infighting and superiority complexs on forums, the absolute number of variations of distros, combined with the avalanche of information you need to digest just to get a basic understanding…
Yeah, I get why people will stick to Windows and ignore free/better alternatives, all while complaining. It’s just not worth it to a vast majority of users.
Yeah…this is going to be a super unpopular opinion, but there needs to be a designated distro for new users who aren’t sure what to go with. If someone asks “What distro should I-” the rest doesn’t matter. We just agree on one distro and that’s it. Once they have a reason to look for another distro, they’ll have the knowledge to find it themselves.
You have to make the first step easy.
Linux Mint should be the default answer for newbies. Tech savvy users can probably find “the right distro” themselves.
But not only for newbies, just to add.
Yeah, I used Linux Mint when I started using Linux in 2021, and I would definitely still use it if I didn’t prefer rolling release.
What does rolling release get a user if they’re not tinkering with hardware all the time?
To me? I use a laptop and don’t really tinker with my hardware at all, the benefits for me is I get the latest-ish versions of software (including user applications), and there isn’t this big jump between new versions
that ‘designated distro’ for newcomers used to be ubuntu. probably still is. as much as i’d want to say mint or some other variant of ubuntu or debian that i happen to like… ‘one man shows’ and distros with very small teams aren’t what a new user should be going with. there’s a reason why so many base off ubuntu. it’s big. it’s solid. and it just works.
Ubuntu was always the answer I gave, but it feels like they’ve fallen out of favor with the whole snap debacle.
As a technically literate person who is mostly new to Linux, Snaps along with Canonical’s corporate behavior was initially a dealbreaker for me.
Except now I’m on Zorin (a Ubuntu fork) and find I can install flatpak, apt, etc as well, so I’m not wholly opposed to it anymore.
Still think they’re assholes for taking initial steps in a paywall direction, though, not to mention doing the FOSS community that way.
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We overestimate what most people do with their computers.
Most people that buy one never touch the re-installation of the OS. I wouldn’t be surprised if I learned 99% of PC users haven’t even done it once.
People buy a PC and use whatever it comes with. They don’t uninstall bloat. They might use a different browser. And then they’ll stick with it until they’re done with it.
It requires knowledge to use different Operating Systems. Most people either don’t have the time or don’t care to learn it. I can’t say I blame them, I never cared to learn about my car. I don’t ever really want to! Yet, I use it every day.
Kind reminder that majority of users use “Google” as their browser. :)
I can blame them.
Fair.
You probably should learn the basics of your car, or develop a relationship with someone who is good at/knows cars and pick a few things up from them.
You rely on it working correctly to not die and the company that makes it would happily let you die if they calculated it was more profitable that way.
Like it’s a good thing to have basic knowledge of the stuff we rely on. You don’t need to be an expert but total ignorance is a very vulnerable position.
I’ll second this by saying that most people will just buy a new computer when their current one becomes “slow”. For me, a slow computer is easy to find a solution for. It’s almost always the install drive is a hard drive and too many background applications. For other people the only solution in their eyes is a brand new PC because even the operating system is part of the whole PC.
Funny icon on desktop goes brrr.
Is reloading PCs really still a thing anymore? I’d been told that it stopped being necessary (unless you fucked something up) somewhere around windows 7.
Great way to remove crap you have completely forgotten about.
My friend does it atleast yearly out of habbit. He says it runs better but I think it’s tge placebo effect and I am a data hoarder (no the bad kind) so don’t.
Not really a thing nowadays, but if you REALLY want to you can just reset it. Takes like 15 minutes
Yeah, uhm… So, you know, modern cars also come with pre-installed spyware, just like our friend wondows but somewhat worse 😅
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I wouldn’t accept something like that either, you can’t force people to just waste (in their view) countless of hours on something they don’t care about.
People can use whatever they like, and I’m guessing your dad only wants to use Apple more because of everyone telling him to stop using it.
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Are you okay or have you gone insane?
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You might have more success if you dial it back, average users don’t need that deep of an understanding. They just need a functional system that does what they expect it to.
I’ve converted several family members to Linux to ease my own role as their tech support. And it was as simple as preloading things they’d need, showing them what the new browser/email/whatever looked like, showing them the new “app store” (KDE Discover), and telling them to call me if it breaks. Some of them explored further and learned how the system works, others were just happy to click the buttons I showed them. None of them regret the change.
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People are still using facebook and reddit by the hundreds of millions or billions. Most people don’t give 2 shits about technology, just that it sort of works. Most people are Jen.
oh you think so?
i’ll tell you, the saying:echo $(date -d “$(date +%Y) + 1 year” +%Y) will be the year of the linux desktop
has never been wrong
Yes, but their desktop is their phone.
Many people and even businesses are still running Windows XP and Windows 7 and we are still talking about security updates on Windows 10?😂 People will never take their security seriously if they don’t lose a lot of money at first…
A big problem is that there are hospitals and medical facilities using old versions of windows for reasons like the cost of upgrading all their computers or more importantly legacy software that they have to use just simply not working on more recent versions for various reasons. As much as having an up to date OS is important for safety, it’s just not feasible in some areas and it’s terrifying.
if a shitty new windows version was gonna drive users to linux, it would have happened already…
at least twice.
I’d say Linux today is a lot more interesting. Plus most people still don’t really care about there OS, but some now care about privacy.
That said, I don’t know why you would complain over Win11. Privacy violations aside, it’s much better than 10 imo.
I can think of a few reasons why someone would complain about Windows 11 without touching privacy aspect at all: the number of clicks you now have to do to get even basic things done because they messed with the context menu, and speaking about changing things that were fine before: the (lack of) file explorer Ribbon and the start menu, the ChromeOS looking layout they went with not being to most people’s taste, the need for a microsoft account to even use the thing (tho you can edit the Registry to bypass this and several other grievances, even some i mentioned…why not just have those as settings/options, just saying?) etc, etc
Some of the above changes and then some + just how much of a pain it was to even upgrade to it were enough for me to move to Linux in the first place when i learned about it, so…yeah, I’d say it’s kinda bad when it made an (at the time, but you can argue I still am and I won’t despute it) tech idiot like me permanently move OS’s
What should I tell you, I immediately liked it more than Win 10.
People also use Android phones and Macs and have Accounts for that. If you seriously believe this is going to drive the masses away, I have bad news for you.
Everything you listed are just small factors among many. I’m quite positive the Steam Deck / Valve are doing more for Linux’s popularity than anything Microsoft did wrong combined.
EDIT: I can’t read, apparantly lol i read “I liked 10 more”. disregard this first bit. Oh no no, you misunderstand: I like Windows 10. Mostly because I have no strong opinion on Windows 7 and didn’t use anything prior to that (and because Windows 8 was…Windows 8) As an OS, it was pretty fine. My problem was microsoft itself (and well, the changes that 11 brought. The list of complaints was basically me going “you had a good thing with Win10, why the radical changes to something that worked well?”).
I’ve also no delusions that Microsoft making controversial changes is gonna do much for Linux growth unless its something massive, like, “we can’t come back from this” massive–but that’s very unlikely to happen. I’ve said this dozens of times before, I’ll say it again: The only way Linux adoption will grow is if someone can walk up to Best Buy (or Browse Newegg/Amazon/whathaveyou), and walk out with a laptop or desktop with Linux already installed and ready to go + maybe a small tutorial like Fedora gives when you first boot up, since Gnome will probably be the default it comes with.
The Steam Deck was a good first step, but if Linux wants adoption, they have to put out stuff that runs Linux out the box to well-known and used markets and brick and morter shops. Not in the back either, front and center where everyone can see it. Much like Chromebooks, people will get used to Linux and its quirks–but they have to be able to access it in the first place (and by that, I mean i could grab an HP laptop packing Ubuntu if i wanted to instead of one packing Windows 11, not being told “to use Linux, you have to first choose one of many distros that are out there, then go download an ISO file and burn it to a USB”)
Good old Windows ME.
I use Linux at work. All my personal laptops are Linux. My home server is Linux…
I updated to windows 11 on my main PC and it isn’t that bad anymore. Have it working almost like 10 was.
No average user is going to give a shit about 10 -> 11
If your machine support it. Aren’t gen 7 Intel chips and earlier unsupported?
Except I had to trick my PC into upgrading. Lots of hardware that’s still perfectly good will block you from upgrading/installing W11.
Most people still Google “Facebook” to login to Facebook.
The general public won’t start using Linux until the computer they buy from their local big box store has it installed by default. Which for a brief moment nearly happened with netbooks.
I know it’s mostly because I’m in the middle of nowhere, most people I know don’t know what OS they’re running
They don’t even know what program they browse the internet with, manage documents with, nor view media with. They know what button to press. George Jetson is our reality.
Most people still Google “Facebook” to login to Facebook.
Wait, I’m lost here…what’s the problem there? Maybe they wanna use the browser version and not the app (i haven’t used facebook in ages, so I’ve no idea if the site now just funnels you into their desktop/mobile app as much as they can)
I’m just pointing out the general tech ignorance in the world. There are generally people who think they need to go through Google to go to any other web page on the internet.
Ahh, yeah, you’re right in that case then
you ain’t a joking. i see that all the time. searching for facebook, youtube, amazon, gmail, hotmail… even ‘binging’ for google.
Linux so expensive
I remember when xp was not supported and…people kept using it. Security bugs and all. Most people don’t really think about the os, they think about the programs they are using.
Shout out to ReactOS, who aims to be 100% compatible with Windows stuff. Too bad that they’re only likely to get there by 2050 :(
But when you’ll be looking for XP compatibility in 2050, they’re going to be the only game in town.
What do you mean with “enough money”? Linux is free. It’ll only cost time to adjust the workflow
They mean the user will happily pay for the new windows version instead.
How can they do that if they don’t have enough money
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Shouldn’t the “don’t” be outside the [ ] so that it applies to both sides of the or?
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Ah, you are correct. I had to reread it to finally parse it correctly.
Why I don’t switch to Linux as my main. The video games and mod managers don’t work well on it.
If given the ability and choice too I would use Linux 10000% but not even proton can work on everything that is only for Windows.
I literally have no choice tbh as I “acquire” games I can’t afford and it’s often to hard to figure out how to install them on Linux.
I hate windows with a passion but capatilism and monopolies force me to use it.
Proton may not be perfect but it works for the vast majority of games at this point. And most mod managers can also run through Lutris, curious to hear which ones you’ve tried that didn’t work
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Even Windows struggles with running some windows games lol
Especially if the game is older
In my experience, 90% of games work on Linux just by using proton. I’ve even had some of my GoG games that just absolutely did not work on modern Windows just straight up be “install and click play” on Linux via just Wine or by using Proton. The 10% that don’t are multiplayer games with heavy anticheats–which, unfortuenatly are what a lot of people play. Some of them already work (Apex, Dead by Daylight, Halo) some are getting worked on (Genshin–tho there IS a way to play it on Linux, at the risk of a ban, a buncha easy-anticheat games like Hunt: Showdown, etc) and some have just plain said a Linux version is out of the cards (Fortnite, Destiny 2 AFAIK).
Modding games also works fine on Linux, but there’s a bit of a catch: it’s not as simple as installing MO2 and Vortex (you CAN install both via Lutris or Steamtinker, but I’ve personally never gotten either to work like that so i can’t say how well it does or doesn’t), you kinda have to play around and see what works. I was able to mod Skyrim, Oblivion, Fallout New Vegas, and Morrowind exactly as i do on Windows (the former three using Rockerbacon’s Mod Organizer 2 script, the last one manually), Fallout 4 manually (haven’t tried the script since i don’t really play FO4, tho I’m sure it works), Pathfinder WOTR via using it’s mod manager in Proton, using Steam Workshop if a game supports it, and using Mod Managers for Linux when they’re available, like Baldur’s Gate 3’s LAMP. Yeah, it’s a hassle depending on the game. For me, it’s fine because I accepted long ago that there would be some annoyances to Linux, and as long as there isn’t any native mod managers built specifically for Linux and we’re stuck jury rigging mod managers made for Windows, modding will be one of those annoyances. But my tolerance is not everyone’s tolerance and I completely understand if people are put off by this and just stick to Windows for modded games.
Unfortunately that 10% of games that don’t work are extremely popular and do happen to be what I’d consider a majority of pc gamers are playing
Oh, I’m not disputing that a large chunk of gamers play games that aren’t playable on Linux yet (tho i disagree with the claim that the majority of PC gamers play those). I’ve always said “it depends on what you like to play” when it comes to gaming on Linux and I’ll stand by that until/if that stops being the case. My first point still stands tho:
The unplayable ones are a drop in the bucket. That’s a straight up fact. And some, if not most of the unplayables are getting patched to work on Linux sooner or later (save for Fortnite. Why do I pick on that one specifically? 1) I personally dislike it and Epic, but more importantly, 2) Epic’s CEO straight up shot the idea of Linux compatability down…even tho there’s nothing really stopping them from enabling Easy Anticheat on their side and making it work vs say, making something like Battle Eye Anticheat play nice with Linux).
If you look at the steam charts, the big FPS games pretty much dominate. I’d argue that does mean the majority are playing at least 1 of the incompatible games at least somewhat casually or with friends.
Most of the unplayables aren’t going to be Linux compatible. Most have come out and explicitly said so. If it hasn’t enabled Linux support by now, I’d expect it to never come.
EAC being enabled for Linux brings the security of the whole system down, which is why there’s resistance to it. You’re not able to cover nearly as much, so cheaters have exponentially more attack surface for a very minimal gain of players.
Strange, last I checked most of the top played games were also Linux compatible. Then again, the most played titles change frequently, so I’ve no doubt at least a couple of non-Linux compatible games make it up there depending on several factors like update/DLC resurrance and such.
Really? I’ve heard the opposite, but maybe their stances have changed and i just didn’t keep up with em or i was misinformed to begin with. Regardless, I have seen a couple of multiplayer games go from broken/not working at all to actually launching and being playable (as an example Naraka: Bladepoint. It also took Dead by Daylight forever to be playable on Linux, but it is now. I believe Apex was the same). Some aren’t perfect yet, but they work instead of stopping at the title screen–if even that. Sure, not all of incompatible games are gonna make it to Linux for one reason or another, but they are being brought in–albiet, i admit It’s slow as hell but hey, s’long as more people get to play what they want on the OS they choose to use at the end of the day–at least from what I’m seeing. Could be very wrong and am willing to admit so if shown otherwise.
Unfortunate, but true that.
Not even Windows can run all Windows games, so that’s kind of a hard criteria for Linux to achieve.
Windows will run a modern windows game with a lot less fiddling than Linux with wine and proton.
Most people aren’t spending a lot of time playing 20 year old games on windows 11.
i have several old systems for older games, going all the way back to a good ol’ celeron 300a.
People pay for Windows with money?
I meant money as in buying a supported PC
Is there some type of PC that can run windows and also can’t run Linux?
People buy specially supported PCs for Linux?
Yes But I meant buying a new pc that supports windows 11 instead of installing Linux
Ahhh, then scop of the negation is meant to not cover “have enough money”!
I read it as not (care or enough money).
