Craig Sumner Elliott, 68, allegedly shot Antonio Garcia Avalos, 40, in incident in Orange county
A California jogger was charged this week in the killing of a homeless man who was blocking the sidewalk.
Craig Sumner Elliott, 68, was jogging with his two dogs and pushing a cart on 28 September when he came across Antonio Garcia Avalos, 40, who was sleeping in the middle of the sidewalk, prosecutors in Orange county, California, said.
Elliott allegedly tried to wake Avalos by nudging him with the pushcart, whereupon Avalos started yelling at Elliott to leave him alone.
Elliott, who allegedly filmed their encounter, then brought a handgun out of his cart, prosecutors charged, adding that when Avalos stood and threw a shoe at Elliott, he ducked and responded by shooting Avalos three times.
Avalos subsequently died from his injuries. Elliott, who does have an active concealed carry permit issued by the local sheriff’s office, was arrested on 17 November in the incident.
Someone who goes jogging with a concealed gun is just looking for a reason to murder someone. This guy found one. 
Almost every time I’ve gone so far as to draw a weapon, or even came close, it involved an animal. The 4-legged sort. And I can count those times, including being close to drawing, on one hand. But still… (Maybe I drew once?)
My small children are here for the week, guns in the safes, but I normally have my Colt .45 hidden on my desk.
Couple of nights ago I heard a ruckus, opened the door, and a fucking pit bull was right there running around. I have a giant dog door, that dog could have run right in. And a bear did so one time!
Grabbed the single-shot 12-gauge over the door sill, jammed one in there, went back on the porch. Fortunately, he was a happy, friendly puppy that got loose from a young family taking a walk. My relief cannot be overstated.
“That your dog?”
“Yes, so sorry!”
“Oh thank god, no problem! No problem at all!”
So no, I’m not walking the streets or woods unarmed. And no, we gun owners are not all murderous fucking nutcases.
Eh, hiking and jogging are actually a really good reason to CCW, especially if you live in a remote area. You also have to think about mountain lions and bears where I am, though. We’ve also had multiple trail abductions, 2 of which resulted in laws being passed for abduction here.
That being said, I have been sickened by the number of times I’ve heard jokes like: “This’ll give the mailman a bad time”, or, “I hope they fuck around and find out.” I completely agree, a lot of gun owners WANT to shoot someone.
68 years old. He probably up until now had the acuity to restrain himself in such a situation. When you get older, barriers between emotional reactions, memory, and perception, start to blur. Everyone agreed that my great uncle never hurt anyone least if all his wife of 50 years a d was known to be a calm dude, until the one day when he chased my great aunt around the house with a knife and then ran off into the forest. If he’d had a gun maybe it would have been one of the many handgun murder-suicides that happen every day. It was just a knife though, so on addition to cooking dinner or cutting a cake, she was able to outrun it.
All humans will go through this, none of them should just have whatever guns without limitations or ongoing proof of sentience.
Everyone who owns a gun are looking to murder someone. They’re just looking for the excuse like someone backing out of their driveway, a door to door salesman knocking on their door, and a bunch of kids playing hide and seek in their neighborhood.
If you’re of the opinion that there’s any credible argument for personal firearm ownership for self defense at all (perhaps you don’t, I don’t know you) then jogging alone in the city would seem like one of the better times to carry…
remind me, how do responsible gun owners store firearms again? Is it loaded, armed, and loose in a cart in public?
He had two dogs with him. That’s generally enough of anl deterrent all by itself.
I disagree. I lived in a pretty high-crime part of Brooklyn for 26 years, and at no time did I feel the need to carry a gun to feel safe walking around.
Supposed “good guy with a gun” led to a death that wouldn’t have happened if there were stricter gun control.
Arm the homeless!
Apparently, it was the old man who threw the shoe, not the homeless man
Exactly how do you ‘nudge’ someone with a cart? Is talking to them loudly or reaching down and touching a shoulder really that impossible? (god forbid you choose to go around them, the inconvenience!)
You don’t, you hit them with a cart.
I’ve seen countless americans claiming that it’s perfectly justified to drive over people if they get in the way of your car, so this is pretty on-brand.
That’s a fact of life here in Utah. Polls have shown most Utahns believe they are justified hitting or killing someone with their car, if that person is in the road (even in a crosswalk) and happens to impede their car. They truly believe this. Of course page one of our driving handbooks states “no matter the situation, pedestrians always have right of way over oncoming cars.” This should be obvious to even the lowest grade moron, but I guess that explains why it’s not obvious to Utahns - they get most of their information from supermarket tabloids and Fox news.
All them damn Mormons I tell ya.
alright time to go for a jog! got my running shoes, sunglasses, headphones, whoops, can’t forget the gun!
Or the cart, apparently. Who jogs with two dogs and a cart?
Man is almost 70 and still jogging and shooting homeless people while filming it! Must have been a wild life.
Wants a guy laying on the sidewalk to move. Naturally, he kills him so he can’t move out of the way. Logical.
This “well-regulated militia” was legally carrying a firearm. Biden’s deep state is charging him anyway!
–Conservatives, probably
This wouldn’t have happened if only the homeless man had a gun! We need to educate the homeless to carry weapons! More guns is the answer!
Clearly he needed to use deadly force to protect himself from that (checks post again) rogue shoe…
He should have done like W and dodged the shoe. Shit George dodged twice and didn’t shoot anyone. He left the shootings to Dick Cheney.
Well trash has been removed from the sidewalk.
Unfortunate that an innocent homeless man had to die though.
Welcome to Murkia.
Well good for him. I guess is all I’m allowed to say, because if I say that it’s good that police arrested this bastard I’m labelled a liberal bootlicker. I guess I’m all for people killing homeless and doing whatever they want, then. In fact, I really encourage it - let’s show the police they can’t police us around or try to make us behave like decent human beings instead of sick animals.
…huh?
I think he had a stroke. I saw him in another thread saying some stupid shit too.
…are you ok?
