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Chinese Carmaker Overtakes Tesla as World’s Most Popular EV Maker::Elon Musk once scoffed at the notion that BYD could compete with his company. Now, the automaker run by billionaire Wang Chuanfu is poised to be the new No. 1 in electric vehicles.
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The fact that the headline says “Chinese Carmaker” and not “BYD” says a lot about their international market share.
Also says a lot that despite that they still make more. Having more global sales in effectively one country is more impressive if anything.
To be honest, I think it more tells you the article was written by an American for an American audience.
The headline also says overtakes, while it says “poised to be” in the text.
oh look, someone doing ev that can actually make vehicles, and theyve eclipsed tesla… no wayy…
no one could have predicted this except, ya know, everyone.
@originalucifer @L4s Went and had a look, and they do the same “iPad on wheels” thing that Tesla does.
Honestly, I kinda hate it. Want a car that works like a car, not a gaming rig.
I don’t even care about that. I want a car I can afford and fit my family including luggage in. Give me two hours of battery life with one hour of charging and I’m sold.
Perhaps consider an used car instead of a brand new one? New electric vehicle is worse for the environment than one that already exists even if it runs on petrol/diesel
For me it’s less about the environment and most about the long term cost savings and needing less maintenance.
I already got a stinker that does all that. Of course I’d also take a used electric, but they haven’t been on the market long enough. I’ve never bought a new car in my life. Don’t see the point when they cost only half as much as new when they’re only a year or two old.
And yet so many people are stuck in the pyramid scheme that is Tesla’s stock.
And those who have ETFs or index funds that track the S&P 500 also have Tesla stock as a hot trash albatross to deal with.
Everyone hates on Tesla for obvious CEO reasons , but Tesla still has great cars. I test drove every electric car manufacturer and model available in central Florida throughout 2021/2022. The model y is by far the best in nearly every aspect. Nothing comes close.
My model y had one panel issue. They gave me a loaner car, it was fixed in 2 days. I haven’t had any issues since. I drove it from Orlando, Florida to Toronto,CA and back without issue. It calculates where and how long to charge to continue your trip.
Again, everyone gives it shit but the “self-driving” is 10/10 on the highway ( 7/10 on local roads). It’s not fancy lane assist and you’d have to be literally sleeping at the wheel to crash while it’s engaged. It made driving there and back a breeze.
Best car I’ve driven so far. Hands down.
The model Y comfort and quality is garbage compared to any Audi, BMW, or ESPECIALLY Porsche. You are on crack if you think Tesla quality is above the Germans. It’s a shitty muscle car with a good drivetrain.
I have driven the iX and Taycan several times and comfortability is just better in a Tesla. My brother in law is very well off. He has a Mercedes, Porsche, bmw, McLaren and a Tesla. He rather daily drive the Tesla.
🙄 the y is nowhere nowhere near taycan. You are off your rocker.
My brother in Christ, I have put several hours behind the taycan. The model Y is a better daily driver imo.
Out of curiosity, how do you use the self-driving? Do you pay attention to the road with your hands on the wheel in case it fails or do you just, I don’t know, look at the landscape? If you pay attention to the road what’s the benefit over cruise control?
But it reduces the load because you don’t pay attention to the road? I know cruise control reduces the load because I don’t pay attention to my speed.
@ExLisper No. I’m paying attention to the road, because quite often it doesn’t cope with sharpish bends and you need to take over.
It just reduces the driving load.
Yes but how? I’m genuinely curious. If you still have to pay attention to the turns and (I imagine) other cars what load is it taking over? I only have cruise control and I see not having to check my speed makes a big difference, I dong have to worry I’m going over the limit. But unless I can just ignore the road I dont see how self driving helps. Not having to steer on gentle turns really makes a difference?
It actually does, just got a new car with the smart lane assist and cruise control and it’s honestly really nice. It’s not full self driving or anything and it often gets confused on big bends, areas with construction or roads with little to no lines, but on highways and major roads it’s just nice.
@ExLisper yes. It does. It’s just easier. I miss it when it’s not there.
Imagine that feeling of cruise control 10x. It’s just a better driving experience.
On the highway, I haven’t had it fail or do anything weird in over a year. I watch the road, but keep my hands off. Daily commute, especially when there’s traffic, is much less of a mental burden. I’m much more at ease to check my phone or look up a song. Local roads, I keep my hand a 3’ o’clock while on the armrest. Not as liberal with diverting my eyes. Letting it do all the work makes driving better, it’s definitely more relaxing.
OK, makes sense. I will have to try it one day.
Man, Tesla is known for their very poor quality these days as well.
I recall 6-7 years ago I had a family member complain about their tesla breaking down. Today, we know this is pretty standard for all of them. We’ve also all seen how trashy the build quality is outside the electronics as well.
So… Even if these are trashy quality, are they really much worse than Tesla? I look forward to hearing more. I hope this shames Western companies into catching up, the fucking idiots.
I don’t wanna be that guy, but BYD are not only garbage tofu cars, they are also HEAVILY subsidized by the CCP in an effort to dump on the competition.
You can be that guy all you want, those garbage tofu cars are still dominating the market.
I know they are dominating the market. But I’m explaining why they are. It’s NOT because they make superior cars Each car is sold at a loss with the funding/backing of the China government with the sole purpose to dump(kill domestic competition).
Amazon prime sorta did this on a micro scale. Dump their pricing to kill Barnes and Noble and after they go out of business, they open and replace them with their own stores. But instead of Amazon funding the dump, it’s the god damn CCP and our entire auto industry.
Dominating which market though? China is heavily subsidizing these cars like they do with a lot of new tech when they want to undercut non-Chinese companies. I guarantee if any other manufacturer had similar subsidies, the situation would be different.
How are they garbage? For instance BYD makes the safest batteries available. They started making electric cars about the same time as Tesla.
You are either not informed or TikTok has brain washed you. BYD leads the pack for most battery related fires than any other car manufacturer.
I don’t use TikTok at all.
In EU Tesla has a marketshare equivalent to the rest of EV top 10 combined, I’d guess Tesla also has the most fires of any manufacturer in EU.
https://evmarketsreports.com/byds-growing-market-share-in-chinas-ev-market/
In China BYD has 7 of the top 10 most sold models, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 9. Tesla only has 3rd and 8th. So obviously BYD sell way more cars in China than Tesla.
I’m not sure how the numbers shown 11 for Byd and 5 for Tesla for 2020-2022 together with the others, can in any way add up to 640 in first quarter of 2022??
The numbers of the article you linked simply don’t make any sense. But apart from that, there is no real indication BYD or the other Chinese brands should be more prone to fires than Tesla.
Of course they’re garbage, they’re Chinese
I wouldn’t go all out saying all Chinese made things are garbage. The majority of cellphones are produced there and many of them are not garbage.
I am shocked that a Chinese company with access to materials is selling heavily subsided EVs. Shocked! Meanwhile in the US, nobody can make them in quantity and when they do Americans don’t want them. Shocked!
None of you would purchase this car to any Toyota quality wise as well. These things are sub Mitsubishi quality.
Predicted for this quarter. Musk has been scoffing the idea, whilst watching them catch him and simultaneously shooting himself in the foot with his own plans.
Meh, the US will slap enough tariffs on these things to make their own Autoindustry competitive again.
So will the EU.
But china has a gigantic middle-class that can afford these things, so I hope they all switch to EV en masse… it’s a win for the planet!
Tariff slapping had been tried by Trump. Very poor outcomes. There will be a more moderated approach, but we will need to see how that pans out
I’m confused what you think is going to happen? There at 25% and Biden doesn’t think they are high enough, they are already currently in talks of increases AFAIK.
And still their shares are just a fraction of Tesla’s share price.
Company is beholden to the Chinese government, apparently that is worse than beholden to a manchid and a group of ultrarich shareholders.
Rather ironically, BYD is probably closer to the “value investing” (realistic) value than most hyper-inflated western stocks, which completely decoupled from reality a long time ago…
Regardless of value sentiment, I’d never consider investing in a Chinese stock. Too much risk that the CCP makes some big overnight change that torpedoes the price.
Not like that happens with US stocks.
Atleast Musk and Tesla shareholders aren’t commiting a genocide so the argument could be made that it indeed is less bad.
Where can I get one?
BYD is available in most of the world, the story linked beneath is about a newer model ATTO, but Dolphin is probably even more popular: https://cleantechnica.com/2023/11/27/byd-atto-3-now-available-in-50-countries-neta-auto-enters-central-south-america/
This is an overview of their global presence:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYD_Auto#Global_expansion
But are you really comfortable bying a Chinese car?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOA7qKMcjcE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKa8mVOe5so
And are they really selling that many?
This is complete bullshit, BYD makes the worlds safest EV batteries with their Blade battery, and they are the world leading manufacturer on volume too.
https://evreporter.com/byd-blade-battery-what-makes-it-ultra-safe/
According to some guy named Rahul Bollini? That’s not very convincing.
