• const_void@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    Stop using DoorDash and other delivery services. They’re a huge scam and you end up paying double for cold food that someone might have tampered with.

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      1 year ago

      This. They are predatory to their drivers, their customers, and the restaurants they almost blackmail into using them. Awful awful company.

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      1 year ago

      Where I live it’s about £2 more on a order of any cost. That’s not even close to being double, especially with a minimum spend of £10

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        Indian take out for my wife costs about $44.

        The same items ordered on the delivery apps comes out to about $56 and then after fees and tips is roughly $80.

        I wish these companies were only $2 more expensive than just going to the restaurant.

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    The tip absolutely goes to the dasher. The screwed up system aside you are only compounding the exploitation of the delivery driver.

    Don’t use the app but don’t get mad at a system that you’re choosing to participate in and actively making worse.

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    The purpose of tips has gone away in the US. You are supposed to tip after the delivery for a good service. Now you have to “tip” for a good service.

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      1 year ago

      If you have to tip to get someone to provide a service your already paying for then that is a bribe.

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    All the bullshit with tipping on food delivery apps made me stop using them years ago.

    First I hear the apps are stealing tips. Then they’re not stealing tips anymore. Then maybe they’re stealing some of the tips.

    To try and avoid all that I tried to use cash. The drivers don’t get their base rate reduced and they get the entire, non-reportable cash tip. Then my food started taking twice as long and arriving cold because the drivers thought I was stiffing them.

    My theory is the apps do this (pre-tipping) on purpose to discourage cash and after-tipping so they can lower what they pay the driver and they’ll still accept the order because they see the higher after tip amount. So now the apps might not be technically stealing tips, but they’re using up front tips to allow them to reduce their shitty base rate for everyone.

    Now if want delivery it’s pizza, Chinese, or one of the few other places with their own drivers. I’ve had this policy for years now and I don’t see myself ever going back unless it’s an emergency.

    Bonus to me: all my takeout/delivery is now 20-30% cheaper. Everyone should really take a look at the inflated prices they’re paying and decide if it’s really worth saving a short drive.

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    People on all these astro-turfed anti-tipping posts always have the same AI generated talking points. Rarely ever do these people actually talk about STOPPING using the apps and STOPPING going to restaurants. Stop making “tip culture” the fault of the worker. It is 100% on the business owner for not paying their staff appropriately for the work performed. Not tipping rewards the business and punishes the worker.

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    What I do:

    $0 tip

    In the special instructions: “Ring doorbell for cash tip. Do not just leave at door”.

    Traffic in my area is awful so I always tip $20 no matter the order. Sometimes that comes to almost an 80% tip but a) I know it goes to the driver, b) I don’t have to drive in that shitshow, and c) I reward a driver for actually reading the special instructions.

    • SokathHisEyesOpen@lemmy.ml
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      Oh, that’s a good way to get them to ring the bell. I tried making them ring the bell other ways, but they never do. Uber Eats has a feature where they need to get a code from you to prove they handed you the food. I had several drivers leave the food at the door and then text me, asking me for the code. Fuck off

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    It does, but the thinking here is that the dasher basically loses money taking no tip orders. Which in my Nordic mind is a fucked up business model. A living wage should be the minimum requirement.

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      Look at the socialist over here guys, over here in America we let our children go without lunch if they can’t afford it. How else will they learn that they need to be a productive member of society?

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      It’s worse. They aren’t employees. They are independent contractors who in many cases assume all liability and have to pay their own payroll taxes. Most aren’t reporting it to their insurance company, much less thinking about retirement and healthcare. It only really works as a temporary side gig.

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        Under EU-Law you might not fall under independent contractor because most of the income and how you do your job is dictated by a single company.
        You automatically fall under regulations for employers and get those protections too. Company that try to do this have to tread very carefully not to fall into that.

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          I was speaking for Americans. Companies like Door Dash are practically experiments in avoiding labor laws .

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      A reasonable tip ensures that someone will accept your order. Nobody is forced to go pick your food up.

      I did a bunch of ride-a-longs with my buddy during COVID. Watching him decide which orders to accept was fascinating. There are lots of variables, and a reasonable tip was a requirement.

      It basically boiled down to how much money per mile.

      Some shady people will put a $20 at first, but then change it to $0 after the food is delivered – not based on bad or slow service, but because they are assholes. The $20 is to get a Dasher to accept the order quickly. Bait and switch.

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    I don’t use doordash but don’t be a dick and leave no tip. That’s such a selfish thing to do.